Believe what you're saying? (was Re: [Nagnagnag] Why? (short comment))

bhaas swanhunter57 at
Tue Feb 4 00:30:17 EST 2003

Unfortunately, there are far too many artists, musicians, filmmakers, 
whatever, who use racially or sexually charged images simply to shock, 
or to seem dangerous or cool. Which eventually makes EVERY use of those 
images seem calculated simply to shock or seem dangerous or cool. Which 
makes it difficult to tell the artists from the poseurs (if I can put 
it that way), and EVERYONE seems like a poseur. Nothing in CV's career 
makes me think they've been anything but serious artists with a point 
to make. (Maybe Kirk's been a little TOO po-faced, which is why I've 
always kind of liked Mal more. Though Agents With False Memories was a 
real hoot, and I mean that in a good way.)

But what happened in Providence? I live in Providence and I have no 
idea what the reference is. Did I miss something?

On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 01:26  PM, Jon Whitney wrote:

> Just because somebody uses interesting samples in their music, it could
> easily be fodder.  Look at godspeed you black emperor!  People all over
> the world believe the band probably thinks the way the looney on the
> street in Providence, Rhode Island was talking, before he quoted Iron
> Maiden as his own poetry!
> Come on.
> Nobody accuses actors, book writers, filmmakers of being racist if they
> use something racially charged in their art, so why should musicians be
> regarded as any different?
> Even Marshall Mathers plays a character named Eminem and one named Slim
> Shady - yet people seem to be up in arms because they think he's 
> sexist or
> whatever, when he's just writing a fictitional character to actually 
> make
> fun of.
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There is a difference between recognizing similarities (i.e. "tastes 
like chicken") and recognizing authenticity (i.e. "this chicken tastes 

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