[Grief] 1975 TG

Grant Regnaert tripreset at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 23 14:38:15 PDT 2012

Ironically, given the history of the "Dossier 1975 releases", all of the members of TG signed my Giftgas CD, except for Cosey. 
They all four had kindly signed a bunch of albums for me at the Chicago gigs in 2009, so at first I just thought it was a mistake, and that she must have forgotten to sign that one. 
But when I asked Cosey about it, she said she did not sign bootlegs and wouldn't sign it. 
And I can see where she is coming from, too, especially since she did not give her permission for the albums release, nor did she (or Chris and Sleazy) see any money from the album either.

Obviously Gen didn't have a problem signing Giftgas, considering he was the one who released the album in the first place. 
But apparently Sleazy and Chris did not have a problem signing it either, lol, and they also did not give their permission or get any royalties from it. 

So it's kinda funny that my Giftgas album has the signatures of Chris, Peter and Gen, but not Cosey. Which I think actually makes it all the more special, considering the circumstances. ;-) 


---Original Message---
From: "Ben Waddington" <falsedog at yahoo.com>
Sent: 9/23/2012 8:18 am
To: grief at hollyfeld.org
Subject: [Grief] 1975 TG

Just to confuse things further, I just saw this at the Brainwashed site TG FAQs  http://www.brainwashed.com/tg/faqs.html 

So seems Chris n Cosey have one take on the subject but recommend WOC for a true account...which as Grant says states Chris was the last to join.

"Q: What is the real deal with Peter not being listed as a member on many of the CDs? 

Peter wasn't even in the original line-up and had to be 
'encouraged' to join in the fun by ourselves and Genesis. Peter doesn't 
appear on some of the very early TG recordings and was 'front of house' 
sound engineer at early TG gigs. For an unbiased 'warts and all' story 
of Throbbing Gristle, we suggest any interested readers check out the 
new book by Simon Ford, entitled Wreckers Of Civilisation: The Story Of COUM Transmissions And Throbbing Gristle.
taken from a letter to "The Wire" by Chris and Cosey"




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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:15:03 +0000
From: "Grant Regnaert " <tripreset at hotmail.com>
To: "grief at hollyfeld.org " <grief at hollyfeld.org>
Subject: Re: [Grief] Pastimes
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No, Sleazy had indeed already joined by 1975.  He was even a member of COUM Transmissions by then. There are pictures from 1975 of Gen, Cosey and Sleazy doing COUM performances in the Wreckers of Civ book. 
You are thinking of Chris Carter. 
Chris was actually the last member of TG to join. 
But Chris still joined in 1975. It even states he was the last member to join in the WOC book. 

So those recordings (not Blood Pressure), at least Giftgas, is from 1975 from what I remember Sleazy telling me about Giftgas at a TG gig when we were talking and I asked him about it. And probably Kreeme Horn is too... though I didnt ask him about that. 
Gen just left Peter's name off the Dossier credits because he's a wanker.  


---Original Message---
From: "Ben Waddington" <falsedog at yahoo.com>
Sent: 9/20/2012 1:45 pm
To: grief at hollyfeld.org
Subject: [Grief] Pastimes

Hm, I'm sure I saw the Speed title in the 80s, before Blood Pressure appeared.

Re Giftgas (and all the Dossier releases) some great nuggets but I'm pretty sure the jams are c.1976 -77. Stating 1975 was I suspect GPOs way of not having to credit Sleazy who by that time hadn't joined. By the time of the Dossier releases, they hadn't spoken for ten years.

And looks like that's just happen again with Desertshore! Stalinists eh? ;0)

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