[Grief] Desertshore and tribute album in memory of Sleazy/Coil

Fredrik Oestroem fredrik.ostrom at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 21 09:01:35 PDT 2012


As long as information that may be of relevance to the group is sipping 
through I see no problem with "bitch slapping". "Information is like a bank; 
our job is to rob that bank", like dear Genesis once said. The truth that Mr 
Regnaert is providing has always been in favour of C&C and Sleazy in 
discussions about T.G. Genesis is the black sheep and has always been. Keep 
that in mind when digesting Regnaert's "truth".

-Fredrik

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- 
From: bernard
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 4:30 PM
To: grief at hollyfeld.org
Subject: Re: [Grief] Desertshore and tribute album in memory of Sleazy/Coil

It would be good if the pair of you stopped bitch slapping on a public list 
:-D



Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 21. sep. 2012 kl. 15:13 skrev "Grant Regnaert " <tripreset at hotmail.com>:

> Jon,
>
> Yes, the truth is more complex, indeed. But sadly, not as complex as the 
> trouble, that some people will go through, to cover it up.
>
> And you really have not a clue as to what I know, or don't know, regarding 
> these issues.
> Out of respect, I have only shed a little light on the truth here (I never 
> said Gen was the sole reason; I only said he was part of the problem).
> .
> And, out of respect for Peter, I will drop it. Let's both drop it. But as 
> I said before, please don't speak to me about truth.
>
> Thank you,
> Grant
>
>
> ---Original Message---
> From: "Jon Whitney" <turbid at turbid.com>
> Sent: 9/21/2012 4:03 am
> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> Subject: Re: [Grief] Desertshore and tribute album in memory of 
> Sleazy/Coil
>
> Grant,
>
> Nobody will ever accuse me of being a "Gen-defender," but the truth is 
> much
> more complex than you know on all of these issues, so please, out of
> respect, back down, you do not speak with authority here.
>
> thanks,
>
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Grant Regnaert 
> <tripreset at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Jon,
>>
>> Actually I am speaking about what I know to be true.
>> Gen was indeed part of the problem. I have emails from Sleazy telling me
>> he could not stand the guy.
>>
>> Sorry if it doesnt fit with your version of what you know or think you 
>> may
>> know to be true.
>>
>> And you're certainly one to talk. Who are you to tell me about truth?
>> When you're spreading lies and distorting facts about Danny Hyde because
>> you got mad at him, just because he wouldn't give you access to his
>> archives of unreleased Coil material...
>> So you started badmouthing him and saying lies like "Danny never wrote 
>> any
>> of the Coil tracks or had any writing credits on any of them". Which is
>> total garbage. His name clearly appears on many Coil tracks and releases 
>> as
>> writer, along with Balance and Christopherson.
>> Tracks like First Dark Ride, Nasa Arab, Blue, Protection, Baby Food, and
>> The Hills Are Alive, to name but a few.
>> Everyone else seems to know that Danny co-wrote many Coil tracks with 
>> Geff
>> and Peter except for you.
>> And you can deny it if you want, but I myself have seen the rude,
>> insulting emails that you sent to Danny many months ago.
>>
>> So please don't even begin to lecture me about speaking truth.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Grant
>>
>> ---Original Message---
>> From: "Jon Whitney" <turbid at turbid.com>
>> Sent: 9/20/2012 5:03 pm
>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>> Subject: Re: [Grief] Desertshore and tribute album in memory of 
>> Sleazy/Coil
>>
>> Grant,
>>
>> "Mainly because of all the shiz with Gen" is actually way off base as 
>> well
>> as a few other claims in this email.
>>
>> Please don't speak what you don't know.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah.. I guess technically its not TG but whatever.. I too am definitely
>>> looking forward to it.
>>> BTW... there is going to be an extra bonus track on the Desertshore 
>>> album
>>> in memory of Sleaz.
>>> It is a new tribute track done by Chris and Cosey with several friends 
>>> on
>>> vocals including Tibet, Bee, Mark Moore, and a few other people 
>>> including
>>> Peters good friend Jenx.
>>>
>>> But as far as the material goes... I honestly dont believe there is much
>>> input from Sleazy (sadly, as I wish there WAS) because from what I
>> gathered
>>> from one of Sleazys good English friends who also lives in Bangkok...he
>> was
>>> telling me that Sleazy never got around to recording much of it at all,
>>> contrary to rumours.
>>> His friend said he always saved TG work for last as it really was not 
>>> his
>>> favourite.
>>> As THBC, COIL and SOISONG came first.
>>> And I personally know this to be true as in several emails I received
>> from
>>> Sleazy he would say things like "I'm finishing up the Soisong album..
>> then
>>> gonna work a bit on CSO and then I gotta (unfortunately) finish up some
>> TG
>>> stuff ."
>>> The word "unfortunately" obviously said he didnt really look forward to
>>> doing it.
>>> Mainly because of all the shiz with Gen... and his friend who told me
>>> this said he really didnt get much done at all on his part of
>> Desertshore.
>>>
>>> So that is my guess as to why it HAS taken so long to complete.
>>> So Maybe in a sense they did have to start from scratch.
>>> Because had his work been completed.. regardless of the time it took
>>> transferring it from Ableton to Logic.. it still wouldnt take nearly two
>>> years.
>>> Which is also why I think they brought in Danny Hyde to help assist,
>>> because Danny worked together with Sleazy in the studio so closlely,
>>> especially the last several years of his life, that he knew how Sleaz
>>> worked and what kind of sounds he prefered and was looking for..
>>>
>>> In fact I gotta talk with Danny this weekend so I will ask him.. as you
>>> got me curious now to just exactly how much Sleazy had completed. :-)
>>> But from what I understand it was not much at all. But Danny will know
>> all
>>> the details. he has an excellent memory.
>>>
>>> FYI...  SPEAKING OF TRIBUTE TRACKS IN MEMORY OF PETER:
>>> My friend and I are releasing a limited edition COIL tribute album in
>>> memory of Sleazy.
>>> Its all finished now and will be going to press very soon.
>>> The album is called: The Beginning Is Alway The End: Sacredly Silver And
>>> Equally Gold. A Sidereal Tribute to Coil.
>>> It is actually more like a box set than an album.. As its a 3xCD set
>>> packaged in a beautiful fold out digipack with an 8 page colour booklet
>>> with artwork, words in memory of Peter, and more.
>>> Nearly 4 hours of excellent music. They will be pressed on actual CDs,
>> not
>>> CD-Rs. It will be released on the Elseproduct label.
>>> And it is limited to 300 copies only. Disc 1 is titled Sacredly Silver.
>>> Disc 2 is titled Equally Gold.
>>> And the 3rd disc, Where No Light Shines, is available for pre-orders
>> only.
>>> There are 38 tracks from 43 different artists worldwide. Including some
>>> special artists who contributed tracks, including an excellent new track
>>> from Electric Sewer Age, as well as a great remix of Ostia by Mark
>> Godwin,
>>> who mastered several COIL albums circa 2006 to 2011.
>>> This is truly an excellent tribute album all around. All of the songs 
>>> are
>>> wonderful. And not just saying that because I'm involved with the 
>>> release
>>> of it either. I truly believe Peter and Geff would be proud and quite
>> enjoy
>>> it.
>>> The album will be at a very reasonable price too. It will be less than
>> $20
>>> for a 3xCD set.
>>> If anyone is interested in purchasing the album check back here within
>> the
>>> next couple of weeks, or on the TG and COIL Facebook groups, for
>>> information about PRE-ORDERS, as we will be taking them soon. Or feel
>> free
>>> to email me for more info.
>>>
>>> thanks.
>>> Grant
>>>
>>> ---Original Message---
>>> From: "David Bourgoin" <david_bourgoin at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> Sent: 9/20/2012 2:42 pm
>>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Grief] Pastimes
>>>
>>> Well it's not really TG if Genesis isn't on it is it.
>>>
>>> I remember Chris saying that he'd had to convert the tracks he'd got 
>>> from
>>> Sleazy from Ableton to Logic I am assuming there is quite a bit of
>> Sleazys
>>> input on there or they'd have just started from scratch without 
>>> bothering
>>> with the hassle of converting from one type of software to another.
>>>
>>> Whatever I look forward to hearing it.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "grief at hollyfeld.org " <grief at hollyfeld.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012, 22:24
>>> Subject: Re: [Grief] Pastimes
>>>
>>> Gen is not going to be on the Desertshore album at all.
>>>
>>> There is a list of all the vocalists for every song up somewhere.
>>> I was just reading it a couple weeks ago but dont remember where I saw 
>>> it
>>> at.
>>> And The music was all done by Chris and Cosey, as well as Danny Hyde who
>>> helped assist with Sleazys part since Sleazy didnt get much of his part
>>> recorded at all before he passed away.
>>> Sleaz was busy finishing up Time Machines II and was going to get to
>>> Desertshore after that but sadly it never happened.
>>>
>>> Grant
>>>
>>> ---Original Message---
>>> From: "David Bourgoin" <david_bourgoin at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> Sent: 9/20/2012 2:13 pm
>>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Grief] Pastimes
>>>
>>> There's two Desertshore teasers up now
>>>
>>> http://vimeo.com/user4819164
>>>
>>> No sign of Genesis in either of them but a number of other vocalists are
>>> present.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Ben Waddington <falsedog at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "grief at hollyfeld.org" <grief at hollyfeld.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012, 21:45
>>> Subject: [Grief] Pastimes
>>>
>>> Hm, I'm sure I saw the Speed title in the 80s, before Blood Pressure
>>> appeared.
>>>
>>> Re Giftgas (and all the Dossier releases) some great nuggets but I'm
>>> pretty sure the jams are c.1976 -77. Stating 1975 was I suspect GPOs way
>> of
>>> not having to credit Sleazy who by that time hadn't joined. By the time
>> of
>>> the Dossier releases, they hadn't spoken for ten years.
>>>
>>> And looks like that's just happen again with Desertshore! Stalinists eh?
>>> ;0)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20 Sep 2012, at 20:00, grief-request at hollyfeld.org wrote:
>>>
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>>>> Yeah.. its a good instrumental album.. As for the titles.. the four
>>> tracks are just called Pastimes part 1, 2 and 3. And Industrial Muzak...
>>> which is also known as Speed from the bootleg CD Blood Pressure that Gen
>>> released on Dossier back in 1995, without the bands permission, along
>> with
>>> Giftgas and Kreeme Horn in 1997.
>>>> Giftgas is an excellent album. Its one of my favorites by TG. 71
>> minutes
>>> of great instrumental improv music from 1975.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Grant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---Original Message---
>>>> From: "Ben Waddington" <falsedog at yahoo.com>
>>>> Sent: 9/20/2012 6:11 am
>>>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>>>> Subject: [Grief] Pastimes Industrial Muzak
>>>>
>>>> I've been playing this minor album a lot recently, some nice subtle
>>> changes in the long hypnotic Industrial Muzac track! Anyone got titIes
>> for
>>> these four tracks? I seem to remember years ago seeing that IM was
>> actually
>>> called Speed but can't now think where I would have seen that. I have 
>>> the
>>> CDr which has no info on, but is there anything on the IRC tape that
>> might
>>> reveal anything?
>>>>
>>>>
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