[Grief] Desertshore and tribute album in memory of Sleazy/Coil

Grant Regnaert tripreset at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 21 06:12:43 PDT 2012


Jon, 

Yes, the truth is more complex, indeed. But sadly, not as complex as the trouble, that some people will go through, to cover it up. 

And you really have not a clue as to what I know, or don't know, regarding these issues. 
Out of respect, I have only shed a little light on the truth here (I never said Gen was the sole reason; I only said he was part of the problem). 
. 
And, out of respect for Peter, I will drop it. Let's both drop it. But as I said before, please don't speak to me about truth.

Thank you,
Grant


---Original Message---
From: "Jon Whitney" <turbid at turbid.com>
Sent: 9/21/2012 4:03 am
To: grief at hollyfeld.org
Subject: Re: [Grief] Desertshore and tribute album in memory of Sleazy/Coil

Grant,

Nobody will ever accuse me of being a "Gen-defender," but the truth is much
more complex than you know on all of these issues, so please, out of
respect, back down, you do not speak with authority here.

thanks,

Jon

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Jon,
>
> Actually I am speaking about what I know to be true.
> Gen was indeed part of the problem. I have emails from Sleazy telling me
> he could not stand the guy.
>
> Sorry if it doesnt fit with your version of what you know or think you may
> know to be true.
>
> And you're certainly one to talk. Who are you to tell me about truth?
> When you're spreading lies and distorting facts about Danny Hyde because
> you got mad at him, just because he wouldn't give you access to his
> archives of unreleased Coil material...
> So you started badmouthing him and saying lies like "Danny never wrote any
> of the Coil tracks or had any writing credits on any of them". Which is
> total garbage. His name clearly appears on many Coil tracks and releases as
> writer, along with Balance and Christopherson.
> Tracks like First Dark Ride, Nasa Arab, Blue, Protection, Baby Food, and
> The Hills Are Alive, to name but a few.
> Everyone else seems to know that Danny co-wrote many Coil tracks with Geff
> and Peter except for you.
> And you can deny it if you want, but I myself have seen the rude,
> insulting emails that you sent to Danny many months ago.
>
> So please don't even begin to lecture me about speaking truth.
>
> Thank you,
> Grant
>
> ---Original Message---
> From: "Jon Whitney" <turbid at turbid.com>
> Sent: 9/20/2012 5:03 pm
> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> Subject: Re: [Grief] Desertshore and tribute album in memory of Sleazy/Coil
>
> Grant,
>
> "Mainly because of all the shiz with Gen" is actually way off base as well
> as a few other claims in this email.
>
> Please don't speak what you don't know.
>
> thanks,
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Yeah.. I guess technically its not TG but whatever.. I too am definitely
> > looking forward to it.
> > BTW... there is going to be an extra bonus track on the Desertshore album
> > in memory of Sleaz.
> > It is a new tribute track done by Chris and Cosey with several friends on
> > vocals including Tibet, Bee, Mark Moore, and a few other people including
> > Peters good friend Jenx.
> >
> > But as far as the material goes... I honestly dont believe there is much
> > input from Sleazy (sadly, as I wish there WAS) because from what I
> gathered
> > from one of Sleazys good English friends who also lives in Bangkok...he
> was
> > telling me that Sleazy never got around to recording much of it at all,
> > contrary to rumours.
> > His friend said he always saved TG work for last as it really was not his
> > favourite.
> > As THBC, COIL and SOISONG came first.
> > And I personally know this to be true as in several emails I received
> from
> > Sleazy he would say things like "I'm finishing up the Soisong album..
> then
> > gonna work a bit on CSO and then I gotta (unfortunately) finish up some
> TG
> > stuff ."
> > The word "unfortunately" obviously said he didnt really look forward to
> > doing it.
> > Mainly because of all the shiz with Gen... and his friend who told me
> > this said he really didnt get much done at all on his part of
> Desertshore.
> >
> > So that is my guess as to why it HAS taken so long to complete.
> >  So Maybe in a sense they did have to start from scratch.
> > Because had his work been completed.. regardless of the time it took
> > transferring it from Ableton to Logic.. it still wouldnt take nearly two
> > years.
> > Which is also why I think they brought in Danny Hyde to help assist,
> > because Danny worked together with Sleazy in the studio so closlely,
> > especially the last several years of his life, that he knew how Sleaz
> > worked and what kind of sounds he prefered and was looking for..
> >
> > In fact I gotta talk with Danny this weekend so I will ask him.. as you
> > got me curious now to just exactly how much Sleazy had completed. :-)
> > But from what I understand it was not much at all. But Danny will know
> all
> > the details. he has an excellent memory.
> >
> > FYI...  SPEAKING OF TRIBUTE TRACKS IN MEMORY OF PETER:
> > My friend and I are releasing a limited edition COIL tribute album in
> > memory of Sleazy.
> > Its all finished now and will be going to press very soon.
> > The album is called: The Beginning Is Alway The End: Sacredly Silver And
> > Equally Gold. A Sidereal Tribute to Coil.
> > It is actually more like a box set than an album.. As its a 3xCD set
> > packaged in a beautiful fold out digipack with an 8 page colour booklet
> > with artwork, words in memory of Peter, and more.
> > Nearly 4 hours of excellent music. They will be pressed on actual CDs,
> not
> > CD-Rs. It will be released on the Elseproduct label.
> >  And it is limited to 300 copies only. Disc 1 is titled Sacredly Silver.
> > Disc 2 is titled Equally Gold.
> > And the 3rd disc, Where No Light Shines, is available for pre-orders
> only.
> > There are 38 tracks from 43 different artists worldwide. Including some
> > special artists who contributed tracks, including an excellent new track
> > from Electric Sewer Age, as well as a great remix of Ostia by Mark
> Godwin,
> > who mastered several COIL albums circa 2006 to 2011.
> > This is truly an excellent tribute album all around. All of the songs are
> > wonderful. And not just saying that because I'm involved with the release
> > of it either. I truly believe Peter and Geff would be proud and quite
> enjoy
> > it.
> > The album will be at a very reasonable price too. It will be less than
> $20
> > for a 3xCD set.
> > If anyone is interested in purchasing the album check back here within
> the
> > next couple of weeks, or on the TG and COIL Facebook groups, for
> > information about PRE-ORDERS, as we will be taking them soon. Or feel
> free
> > to email me for more info.
> >
> > thanks.
> > Grant
> >
> > ---Original Message---
> > From: "David Bourgoin" <david_bourgoin at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Sent: 9/20/2012 2:42 pm
> > To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> > Subject: Re: [Grief] Pastimes
> >
> > Well it's not really TG if Genesis isn't on it is it.
> >
> > I remember Chris saying that he'd had to convert the tracks he'd got from
> > Sleazy from Ableton to Logic I am assuming there is quite a bit of
> Sleazys
> > input on there or they'd have just started from scratch without bothering
> > with the hassle of converting from one type of software to another.
> >
> > Whatever I look forward to hearing it.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com>
> > To: "grief at hollyfeld.org " <grief at hollyfeld.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012, 22:24
> > Subject: Re: [Grief] Pastimes
> >
> > Gen is not going to be on the Desertshore album at all.
> >
> > There is a list of all the vocalists for every song up somewhere.
> > I was just reading it a couple weeks ago but dont remember where I saw it
> > at.
> > And The music was all done by Chris and Cosey, as well as Danny Hyde who
> > helped assist with Sleazys part since Sleazy didnt get much of his part
> > recorded at all before he passed away.
> > Sleaz was busy finishing up Time Machines II and was going to get to
> > Desertshore after that but sadly it never happened.
> >
> > Grant
> >
> > ---Original Message---
> > From: "David Bourgoin" <david_bourgoin at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Sent: 9/20/2012 2:13 pm
> > To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> > Subject: Re: [Grief] Pastimes
> >
> > There's two Desertshore teasers up now
> >
> > http://vimeo.com/user4819164
> >
> > No sign of Genesis in either of them but a number of other vocalists are
> > present.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Ben Waddington <falsedog at yahoo.com>
> > To: "grief at hollyfeld.org" <grief at hollyfeld.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012, 21:45
> > Subject: [Grief] Pastimes
> >
> > Hm, I'm sure I saw the Speed title in the 80s, before Blood Pressure
> > appeared.
> >
> > Re Giftgas (and all the Dossier releases) some great nuggets but I'm
> > pretty sure the jams are c.1976 -77. Stating 1975 was I suspect GPOs way
> of
> > not having to credit Sleazy who by that time hadn't joined. By the time
> of
> > the Dossier releases, they hadn't spoken for ten years.
> >
> > And looks like that's just happen again with Desertshore! Stalinists eh?
> > ;0)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 20 Sep 2012, at 20:00, grief-request at hollyfeld.org wrote:
> >
> > > Send Grief mailing list submissions to
> > >    grief at hollyfeld.org
> > >
> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > >    http://www.hollyfeld.org/mailman/listinfo/grief
> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > >    grief-request at hollyfeld.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah.. its a good instrumental album.. As for the titles.. the four
> > tracks are just called Pastimes part 1, 2 and 3. And Industrial Muzak...
> > which is also known as Speed from the bootleg CD Blood Pressure that Gen
> > released on Dossier back in 1995, without the bands permission, along
> with
> > Giftgas and Kreeme Horn in 1997.
> > > Giftgas is an excellent album. Its one of my favorites by TG. 71
> minutes
> > of great instrumental improv music from 1975.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Grant
> > >
> > >
> > > ---Original Message---
> > > From: "Ben Waddington" <falsedog at yahoo.com>
> > > Sent: 9/20/2012 6:11 am
> > > To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> > > Subject: [Grief] Pastimes Industrial Muzak
> > >
> > > I've been playing this minor album a lot recently, some nice subtle
> > changes in the long hypnotic Industrial Muzac track! Anyone got titIes
> for
> > these four tracks? I seem to remember years ago seeing that IM was
> actually
> > called Speed but can't now think where I would have seen that. I have the
> > CDr which has no info on, but is there anything on the IRC tape that
> might
> > reveal anything?
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Grief mailing list
> > > Grief at hollyfeld.org
> > > http://www.hollyfeld.org/mailman/listinfo/grief
> > >
> > >
> > > End of Grief Digest, Vol 114, Issue 1
> > > *************************************
> > _______________________________________________
> > Grief mailing list
> > Grief at hollyfeld.org
> > http://www.hollyfeld.org/mailman/listinfo/grief
> > _______________________________________________
> > Grief mailing list
> > Grief at hollyfeld.org
> > http://www.hollyfeld.org/mailman/listinfo/grief
> > _______________________________________________
> > Grief mailing list
> > Grief at hollyfeld.org
> > http://www.hollyfeld.org/mailman/listinfo/grief
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Grief mailing list
> Grief at hollyfeld.org
> http://www.hollyfeld.org/mailman/listinfo/grief
>



More information about the Grief mailing list