[Grief] Pastimes

Grant Regnaert tripreset at hotmail.com
Thu Sep 20 14:15:03 PDT 2012


No, Sleazy had indeed already joined by 1975.  He was even a member of COUM Transmissions by then. There are pictures from 1975 of Gen, Cosey and Sleazy doing COUM performances in the Wreckers of Civ book. 
You are thinking of Chris Carter. 
Chris was actually the last member of TG to join. 
But Chris still joined in 1975. It even states he was the last member to join in the WOC book. 

So those recordings (not Blood Pressure), at least Giftgas, is from 1975 from what I remember Sleazy telling me about Giftgas at a TG gig when we were talking and I asked him about it. And probably Kreeme Horn is too... though I didnt ask him about that. 
 Gen just left Peter's name off the Dossier credits because he's a wanker.  

Grant


---Original Message---
From: "Ben Waddington" <falsedog at yahoo.com>
Sent: 9/20/2012 1:45 pm
To: grief at hollyfeld.org
Subject: [Grief] Pastimes

Hm, I'm sure I saw the Speed title in the 80s, before Blood Pressure appeared.

Re Giftgas (and all the Dossier releases) some great nuggets but I'm pretty sure the jams are c.1976 -77. Stating 1975 was I suspect GPOs way of not having to credit Sleazy who by that time hadn't joined. By the time of the Dossier releases, they hadn't spoken for ten years.

And looks like that's just happen again with Desertshore! Stalinists eh? ;0)




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> Yeah.. its a good instrumental album.. As for the titles.. the four tracks are just called Pastimes part 1, 2 and 3. And Industrial Muzak... which is also known as Speed from the bootleg CD Blood Pressure that Gen released on Dossier back in 1995, without the bands permission, along with Giftgas and Kreeme Horn in 1997. 
> Giftgas is an excellent album. Its one of my favorites by TG. 71 minutes of great instrumental improv music from 1975. 
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> I've been playing this minor album a lot recently, some nice subtle changes in the long hypnotic Industrial Muzac track! Anyone got titIes for these four tracks? I seem to remember years ago seeing that IM was actually called Speed but can't now think where I would have seen that. I have the CDr which has no info on, but is there anything on the IRC tape that might reveal anything?
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