[Grief] Peter Christopherson

s. borges sergio433 at gmail.com
Sat Nov 27 13:54:19 PST 2010

I may have not known him personally, but did, eventually, correspond with
him (and with Cosey a few years down the line), and no doubt he was a very
charming fellow. And speculating that he probably had a heart condition due
to poor health because of his weight in no way - at least not from my side
of town - sounds disrespectful. Although I may have been a tad too
ironic and do conceed to your criticism in regard to "[the] only exercise he
probably engaged in was programming MAX/MSP on this laptop" (point
taken), being "exasperated" by speculation on Christopherson being lax with
his health leaves me totally at awe. But, again, you are in your own right
to feel the way you do - as I am entitled to my own opinion on the case.

cheers, s., rio.

2010/11/27 i r o n f l a m e . d e <mailinglists at ironflame.de>

> since, i guess, you never spent dinner with sleazy why not just refrain
> from comments like "Christopherson was overweight and probably ate whatever
> was at hand"?
> english may not be my mother tongue but still this sentence sounds really
> disrespectful to me and i see no sense at all in posting something like this
> right after someone has died.
> regarding what others wrote, of course i don't see anything wrong with a
> healthy curiousity about what happened. i've been friends with geff since
> very long but also met peter on the remote viewer tour that ironflame.dewas presenting their german/swiss/austrian dates, so naturally i also got to
> spend time with him.
> even so, i don't think this gives me any 'right' to know what happened.
> someone will let us know eventually.
> what solely exasperated me here were remarks like
> "Christopherson was overweight and probably ate whatever was at hand"
> "the only exercise he probably engaged in was programming MAX/MSP on this
> laptop"
> "Christopherson was probably very lax with his health and paid the price"
> and i stand by my opinion that they sound very disrespectful to me, but,
> also i don't wanna carry this on forever, because this is still the time for
> mourning and grief, but surely not for fights. sorry for the flare-up
> peace,
> s.
> p.s.: since chances are that grief still stands for "talk about throbbing
> gristle and the discussions of the following related topics: burroughs,
> monte cazzaza, chris and cosey, coil, couum transmissions, psychic tv,
> cabaret voltaire, clock dva, spk, derek jarman, ica, etc..." i don't see the
> need to unsubscribe, thanks s., rio
> I've been hearing his music for decades and have always held a deep respect
>> for the man and his art and am deeply sorry he has suddenly passed away.
>> Now my fine friend, I can give a rat's arse if you feel crossed with what
>> I and others wrote about Christopherson's death, but that's what I sincerely
>> think and stand by my words and make absolutely NO apologies here. And if
>> you don't like reading such comments, do yourself a favor - you can easily
>> unsubscribe from this discussion list.
>> cheers, s., rio.
>   is that the advantages of the internet, web 2.0 and so forth that all
>>> and everybody seriously feel they have the right to get the last word and
>>> knowledge about every tiny detail of those whose records they buy - or more
>>> often: grab for free online?
>>> your job is to remunerate, appreciate and honour the works of the artists
>>> not stick your nose into every tiny corner of their private lives. all this
>>> speculating about the cause of his death really makes me sick. especially
>>> when the beauty standards conformists raise their voice again: overweight!
>>> how contradictory to the norm!
>>> if you and others of your tune would be a bit more familiar with the gay
>>> bear movement, that sleazy was at least remotely part of you would know that
>>> there's hundreds of thousands of overweight men even in their 70s that are
>>> enjoying a great life and health - in spite of being overweight and living
>>> not the most healthy lifestyle.
>>> sleazy is dead - bad enough, so just everybody take it as it is. what
>>> fucking difference does it make, why exactly it happened?! to make you feel
>>> better? to make him more guilty of not delivering the promised future
>>> records & gigs you feel you have the right to be delivered to with...?
>  Christopherson was overweight and probably ate whatever was at hand - at
>>>> his mid 50 and to suddenly die in his sleep, this may have been the cause.
>>>> I'm a good deal younger than him, at 41, actually under my weight and quite
>>>> lean, exercise daily, do not eat anything sweet or with sugar, food very low
>>>> on fat, a good deal of vegetables and so on and so forth - yet, still, I
>>>> suffer from high blood pressure and rather poor health and am already on
>>>> medication. From glancing at Christopherson's more recent photos - the only
>>>> exercise he probably engaged in was programming MAX/MSP on this
>>>> laptop....becaming too overweight for his good, and the heart just gave in -
>>>> just a glance of his photos when in Coum and TG, comparing to recent shots,
>>>> it really does amaze me on how much weight he gained over the years. This is
>>>> also quite visible in a few and very recent interviews I have seen on
>>>> Youtube. I really don't believe the death was due to pulmonary embolism -
>>>> unfortunately, Christopherson was probably very lax with his health and paid
>>>> the price - a pity, especially from someone with such a rich output and
>>>> great music. No doubt, his genius will be greatly missed.
>>>> cheers, s.
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