[Grief] Grief Digest, Vol 95, Issue 11

svirgula svirgula at gmail.com
Fri Nov 5 09:52:07 PDT 2010


gen's statement could use some serious editing. yikes.

On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:14 AM, grief-request at hollyfeld.org wrote:

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> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 07:59:22 -0700
> From: Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com>
> To: <grief at hollyfeld.org>
> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
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> Hmm...maybe you're right. Could be that's what Gen means by "We"....but I didn't realize that he was still referring to them together since Jackie passed away. Also, I know he was Lady Jaye, and she was he... Because I thought the whole idea was to merge/mesh their 2 seperate "We" identities into one being, as "I" for the both of them? So if that IS the case then why say "We"? But then I don't really know anymore... I havent followed it for a few years, so I am not up to speed with his whole pandrogenous terminology and what he currently believes this week.  
> 
> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:40:54 -0400
> From: idoltaxi at gmail.com
> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
> 
> Grant: It's "we" because he is also Lady Jaye, remember? Or that's what I thought. They've been "we" for a while now.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 7:45 AM, LIC <lactose.intolerant.cat at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The original notice that was published on the TG site, looked like
> 
> someone had had a few hits from the hotel mini bar and sent a pissed
> 
> (drunken) email, then went and had an oh shit moment.  In the recent
> 
> post from Gen it looks like he's getting ready to hop on a tall horse,
> 
> and start flailing his hand bag about again, as happened a while back
> 
> when  cosey had an exibition at the tate, and he gave a rather nasty
> 
> interview to some art magazine.
> 
> 
> 
> my 2c
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 November 2010 14:12, Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it is quite strange. I mean why tell us that you are going to "compose
> 
>> a written version of the series of events we believe led to my being unable
> 
>> to remain part of this short tour by the regrouped TG that feels acceptable
> 
>> to us, we will post it."? Why not just tell us now?? And where he says the
> 
>> reasons that "feels acceptable" to us, it sort of comes across like he
> 
>> doesn't quite know why he left himself yet! Haha. But yes, it seems pretty
> 
>> veiled. I have no idea what he is alluding to either. But I find it funny
> 
>> that he says "WE did not and have no wish to quit TG." We? I didn't realize
> 
>> that his gopher/assistant/errand boy Ryan was a member of TG. Lol. But
> 
>> seriously, I am really looking forward to what his reasons for leaving
> 
>> are/were. And hopefully it will make more sense and shed some light on this
> 
>> whole situation, once he finally does make his official statement.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ________________________________
> 
>> From: swindonbakery at gmail.com
> 
>> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:57:56 -0700
> 
>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> 
>> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
> 
>> 
> 
>> Strange. It's not a statement about leaving, but on the leaving.
> 
>> It's sober, but actually reading it through it's pretty veiled.  What the
> 
>> hell is he alluding to most of the time?
> 
>> And strange that he says he has (not had) no wish to quit TG. Huh? Why the
> 
>> present tense?
> 
>> Perhaps more will be revealed that makes sense.
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:44 PM, InnerSanctum XVIII wrote:
> 
>> Recently posted on Genesis site:
> 
>> 
> 
>> Dear Friends,
> 
>> 
> 
>> We have seen and heard various inaccurate, erroneous, even sometimes
> 
>> libelous speculations about why we felt compelled to drop out of the current
> 
>> Throbbing Gristle tour. As a result we intend to address these matters in
> 
>> full as soon as possible. We hope that what we state now, and later, will be
> 
>> clear, will not fan the flames of destructive gossip, will not seem negative
> 
>> and will reduce an somewhat dramatic situation into a simpler story. We want
> 
>> to make it clear right now that we did not, and have no wish to quit TG.
> 
>> Obviously there is more involved than just that simple statement.
> 
>> Personally, at this point of my life, my position is that the inner workings
> 
>> and dynamics of any band, but especially of TG, are as intimate, unique and
> 
>> most of all complex as they are within any family. Unfortunately, even at
> 
>> the level TG occupy in popular culture, band business becomes potentially
> 
>> everyone?s business. We all know the internet has amplified the speed of
> 
>> distribution of ?information? almost as fast as it has accelerated the
> 
>> decline of accuracy worldwide. We have no interest in pointing fingers (or
> 
>> is it claws?) at various people or sites and accusing them of letting the
> 
>> cat out of the bag. Bickering is never attractive, not one on one nor within
> 
>> the realms of an ever expanding media fueled by smart phone technologies and
> 
>> laptops. As soon as we have composed a written version of what series of
> 
>> events we believe led to my feeling unable to remain part of THIS short tour
> 
>> by the re-grouped TG that feels acceptable we will post it here.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Genesis Breyer P-Orridge & Ryan Martin
> 
>> From: Jasper Dionisio
> 
>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:45 PM
> 
>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> 
>> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
> 
>> I read an interview with Chris Carter maybe a year or two ago, and from his
> 
>> answers I got the impression he doesn't like Genesis at all. There was even
> 
>> one question where he was asked if they do it (TG) "for the girls," and
> 
>> Chris Carter said something like "well obviously Sleazy and Gen don't do it
> 
>> for the girls, and I'm in a committed relationship with Cosey," as if to
> 
>> imply that Genesis is gay. So, I don't know very much of anything because I
> 
>> haven't really gotten around to reading my Wreckers of Civilisation, but it
> 
>> always seemed to me the main reason for their breakup was animosity between
> 
>> Genesis and Chris Carter because of Cosey, and judging from the tone of
> 
>> Chris' answers in that interview whenever Gen was the topic, it seems that
> 
>> animosity might still be alive.
> 
>> 
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:55 AM, InnerSanctum XVIII
> 
>> <the_adversary at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>> It's time for some major Gen bashing again. I'm just waiting for Fred
> 
>> Gianelli to join the party. They're having plenty of fun on the COIL-list as
> 
>> well. Join the campaign. No need to wait for more details on the background.
> 
>> It's all Genesis fault anyway. He's an untalanted, evil, detached druggie.
> 
>> 
> 
>> With followers who despise him/her that much It's no wonder he's had it and
> 
>> leaves for N.Y.
> 
>> 
> 
>> -Fredrik
> 
>> From: Grant Regnaert
> 
>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:58 PM
> 
>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> 
>> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
> 
>> I wouldn't doubt it. He seemed pretty altered and talkative the first night
> 
>> in Chicago at TG gig last April. The 2nd night he was grouchy and I didnt
> 
>> talk to him much. And at the PTV gig a couple years back I can confirm he
> 
>> was high... He was practically begging me for more morphine. At the start of
> 
>> the show he seemed a bit grumpy. I was front row,  just 2 feet from Gen and
> 
>> when he saw me take my morphine for my back, he got really excited and asked
> 
>> for one, claiming his knee was hurting him... So I slipped him a pill. He
> 
>> perked right up for the show, then afterwards he kept asking me for more,
> 
>> for himself and Jackie. Then less than 2 months later, she sadly died.
> 
>> 
> 
>> ________________________________
> 
>> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:37:39 -0200
> 
>> From: sergio433 at gmail.com
> 
>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> 
>> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
> 
>> 
> 
>> Probably, too much smack.
> 
>> 
> 
>> s.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 2010/10/29 bernard <bernard at sdreyer.no>
> 
>> 
> 
>> Gen was looking very detached at the concert.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> On 29. okt. 2010, at 13.21, DIL23 wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>>> again! 8-(
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> see www.throbbing-gristle.com
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> DIL23
> 
>>> :)
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> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:14:21 +0000
> From: DIL23 <hex at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
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> hmmm - think *we* might be being used to confuse - and sidestep the real issue 
> of 'what the fuck actually happened?'
> 
> not sure that 'personal' managers are a good idea either - last time I looked 
> TG were a ***group***!
> 
> DIL23
> :)
> 
> 
> On Friday 05 November 2010 14:59:22 Grant Regnaert wrote:
>> Hmm...maybe you're right. Could be that's what Gen means by "We"....but I
>> didn't realize that he was still referring to them together since Jackie
>> passed away. Also, I know he was Lady Jaye, and she was he... Because I
>> thought the whole idea was to merge/mesh their 2 seperate "We" identities
>> into one being, as "I" for the both of them? So if that IS the case then
>> why say "We"? But then I don't really know anymore... I havent followed it
>> for a few years, so I am not up to speed with his whole pandrogenous
>> terminology and what he currently believes this week.
>> 
>> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:40:54 -0400
>> From: idoltaxi at gmail.com
>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>> 
>> Grant: It's "we" because he is also Lady Jaye, remember? Or that's what I
>> thought. They've been "we" for a while now.
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 7:45 AM, LIC <lactose.intolerant.cat at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The original notice that was published on the TG site, looked like
>> 
>> someone had had a few hits from the hotel mini bar and sent a pissed
>> 
>> (drunken) email, then went and had an oh shit moment.  In the recent
>> 
>> post from Gen it looks like he's getting ready to hop on a tall horse,
>> 
>> and start flailing his hand bag about again, as happened a while back
>> 
>> when  cosey had an exibition at the tate, and he gave a rather nasty
>> 
>> interview to some art magazine.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> my 2c
>> 
>> On 5 November 2010 14:12, Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, it is quite strange. I mean why tell us that you are going to
>>> "compose
>>> 
>>> a written version of the series of events we believe led to my being
>>> unable
>>> 
>>> to remain part of this short tour by the regrouped TG that feels
>>> acceptable
>>> 
>>> to us, we will post it."? Why not just tell us now?? And where he says
>>> the
>>> 
>>> reasons that "feels acceptable" to us, it sort of comes across like he
>>> 
>>> doesn't quite know why he left himself yet! Haha. But yes, it seems
>>> pretty
>>> 
>>> veiled. I have no idea what he is alluding to either. But I find it funny
>>> 
>>> that he says "WE did not and have no wish to quit TG." We? I didn't
>>> realize
>>> 
>>> that his gopher/assistant/errand boy Ryan was a member of TG. Lol. But
>>> 
>>> seriously, I am really looking forward to what his reasons for leaving
>>> 
>>> are/were. And hopefully it will make more sense and shed some light on
>>> this
>>> 
>>> whole situation, once he finally does make his official statement.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> 
>>> From: swindonbakery at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:57:56 -0700
>>> 
>>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Strange. It's not a statement about leaving, but on the leaving.
>>> 
>>> It's sober, but actually reading it through it's pretty veiled.  What the
>>> 
>>> hell is he alluding to most of the time?
>>> 
>>> And strange that he says he has (not had) no wish to quit TG. Huh? Why
>>> the
>>> 
>>> present tense?
>>> 
>>> Perhaps more will be revealed that makes sense.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:44 PM, InnerSanctum XVIII wrote:
>>> 
>>> Recently posted on Genesis site:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Friends,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We have seen and heard various inaccurate, erroneous, even sometimes
>>> 
>>> libelous speculations about why we felt compelled to drop out of the
>>> current
>>> 
>>> Throbbing Gristle tour. As a result we intend to address these matters in
>>> 
>>> full as soon as possible. We hope that what we state now, and later, will
>>> be
>>> 
>>> clear, will not fan the flames of destructive gossip, will not seem
>>> negative
>>> 
>>> and will reduce an somewhat dramatic situation into a simpler story. We
>>> want
>>> 
>>> to make it clear right now that we did not, and have no wish to quit TG.
>>> 
>>> Obviously there is more involved than just that simple statement.
>>> 
>>> Personally, at this point of my life, my position is that the inner
>>> workings
>>> 
>>> and dynamics of any band, but especially of TG, are as intimate, unique
>>> and
>>> 
>>> most of all complex as they are within any family. Unfortunately, even at
>>> 
>>> the level TG occupy in popular culture, band business becomes potentially
>>> 
>>> everyone?s business. We all know the internet has amplified the speed of
>>> 
>>> distribution of ?information? almost as fast as it has accelerated the
>>> 
>>> decline of accuracy worldwide. We have no interest in pointing fingers
>>> (or
>>> 
>>> is it claws?) at various people or sites and accusing them of letting the
>>> 
>>> cat out of the bag. Bickering is never attractive, not one on one nor
>>> within
>>> 
>>> the realms of an ever expanding media fueled by smart phone technologies
>>> and
>>> 
>>> laptops. As soon as we have composed a written version of what series of
>>> 
>>> events we believe led to my feeling unable to remain part of THIS short
>>> tour
>>> 
>>> by the re-grouped TG that feels acceptable we will post it here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Genesis Breyer P-Orridge & Ryan Martin
>>> 
>>> From: Jasper Dionisio
>>> 
>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:45 PM
>>> 
>>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>>> 
>>> I read an interview with Chris Carter maybe a year or two ago, and from
>>> his
>>> 
>>> answers I got the impression he doesn't like Genesis at all. There was
>>> even
>>> 
>>> one question where he was asked if they do it (TG) "for the girls," and
>>> 
>>> Chris Carter said something like "well obviously Sleazy and Gen don't do
>>> it
>>> 
>>> for the girls, and I'm in a committed relationship with Cosey," as if to
>>> 
>>> imply that Genesis is gay. So, I don't know very much of anything because
>>> I
>>> 
>>> haven't really gotten around to reading my Wreckers of Civilisation, but
>>> it
>>> 
>>> always seemed to me the main reason for their breakup was animosity
>>> between
>>> 
>>> Genesis and Chris Carter because of Cosey, and judging from the tone of
>>> 
>>> Chris' answers in that interview whenever Gen was the topic, it seems
>>> that
>>> 
>>> animosity might still be alive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:55 AM, InnerSanctum XVIII
>>> 
>>> <the_adversary at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's time for some major Gen bashing again. I'm just waiting for Fred
>>> 
>>> Gianelli to join the party. They're having plenty of fun on the COIL-list
>>> as
>>> 
>>> well. Join the campaign. No need to wait for more details on the
>>> background.
>>> 
>>> It's all Genesis fault anyway. He's an untalanted, evil, detached
>>> druggie.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> With followers who despise him/her that much It's no wonder he's had it
>>> and
>>> 
>>> leaves for N.Y.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Fredrik
>>> 
>>> From: Grant Regnaert
>>> 
>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:58 PM
>>> 
>>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't doubt it. He seemed pretty altered and talkative the first
>>> night
>>> 
>>> in Chicago at TG gig last April. The 2nd night he was grouchy and I didnt
>>> 
>>> talk to him much. And at the PTV gig a couple years back I can confirm he
>>> 
>>> was high... He was practically begging me for more morphine. At the start
>>> of
>>> 
>>> the show he seemed a bit grumpy. I was front row,  just 2 feet from Gen
>>> and
>>> 
>>> when he saw me take my morphine for my back, he got really excited and
>>> asked
>>> 
>>> for one, claiming his knee was hurting him... So I slipped him a pill. He
>>> 
>>> perked right up for the show, then afterwards he kept asking me for more,
>>> 
>>> for himself and Jackie. Then less than 2 months later, she sadly died.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> 
>>> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:37:39 -0200
>>> 
>>> From: sergio433 at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Probably, too much smack.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> s.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2010/10/29 bernard <bernard at sdreyer.no>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gen was looking very detached at the concert.
>>> 
>>> On 29. okt. 2010, at 13.21, DIL23 wrote:
>>>> again! 8-(
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> see www.throbbing-gristle.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> DIL23
>>>> 
>>>> :)
>>>> 
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>>> 
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