[Grief] TG split

Jon Whitney turbid at gmail.com
Fri Nov 5 08:34:49 PDT 2010


a group which includes Paul Smith

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:14 AM, DIL23 <hex at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> hmmm - think *we* might be being used to confuse - and sidestep the real issue
> of 'what the fuck actually happened?'
>
> not sure that 'personal' managers are a good idea either - last time I looked
> TG were a ***group***!
>
> DIL23
> :)
>
>
> On Friday 05 November 2010 14:59:22 Grant Regnaert wrote:
>> Hmm...maybe you're right. Could be that's what Gen means by "We"....but I
>> didn't realize that he was still referring to them together since Jackie
>> passed away. Also, I know he was Lady Jaye, and she was he... Because I
>> thought the whole idea was to merge/mesh their 2 seperate "We" identities
>> into one being, as "I" for the both of them? So if that IS the case then
>> why say "We"? But then I don't really know anymore... I havent followed it
>> for a few years, so I am not up to speed with his whole pandrogenous
>> terminology and what he currently believes this week.
>>
>> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:40:54 -0400
>> From: idoltaxi at gmail.com
>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>>
>> Grant: It's "we" because he is also Lady Jaye, remember? Or that's what I
>> thought. They've been "we" for a while now.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 7:45 AM, LIC <lactose.intolerant.cat at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The original notice that was published on the TG site, looked like
>>
>> someone had had a few hits from the hotel mini bar and sent a pissed
>>
>> (drunken) email, then went and had an oh shit moment.  In the recent
>>
>> post from Gen it looks like he's getting ready to hop on a tall horse,
>>
>> and start flailing his hand bag about again, as happened a while back
>>
>> when  cosey had an exibition at the tate, and he gave a rather nasty
>>
>> interview to some art magazine.
>>
>>
>>
>> my 2c
>>
>> On 5 November 2010 14:12, Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Yes, it is quite strange. I mean why tell us that you are going to
>> > "compose
>> >
>> > a written version of the series of events we believe led to my being
>> > unable
>> >
>> > to remain part of this short tour by the regrouped TG that feels
>> > acceptable
>> >
>> > to us, we will post it."? Why not just tell us now?? And where he says
>> > the
>> >
>> > reasons that "feels acceptable" to us, it sort of comes across like he
>> >
>> > doesn't quite know why he left himself yet! Haha. But yes, it seems
>> > pretty
>> >
>> > veiled. I have no idea what he is alluding to either. But I find it funny
>> >
>> > that he says "WE did not and have no wish to quit TG." We? I didn't
>> > realize
>> >
>> > that his gopher/assistant/errand boy Ryan was a member of TG. Lol. But
>> >
>> > seriously, I am really looking forward to what his reasons for leaving
>> >
>> > are/were. And hopefully it will make more sense and shed some light on
>> > this
>> >
>> > whole situation, once he finally does make his official statement.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: swindonbakery at gmail.com
>> >
>> > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:57:56 -0700
>> >
>> > To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Strange. It's not a statement about leaving, but on the leaving.
>> >
>> > It's sober, but actually reading it through it's pretty veiled.  What the
>> >
>> > hell is he alluding to most of the time?
>> >
>> > And strange that he says he has (not had) no wish to quit TG. Huh? Why
>> > the
>> >
>> > present tense?
>> >
>> > Perhaps more will be revealed that makes sense.
>> >
>> > On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:44 PM, InnerSanctum XVIII wrote:
>> >
>> > Recently posted on Genesis site:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Friends,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We have seen and heard various inaccurate, erroneous, even sometimes
>> >
>> > libelous speculations about why we felt compelled to drop out of the
>> > current
>> >
>> > Throbbing Gristle tour. As a result we intend to address these matters in
>> >
>> > full as soon as possible. We hope that what we state now, and later, will
>> > be
>> >
>> > clear, will not fan the flames of destructive gossip, will not seem
>> > negative
>> >
>> > and will reduce an somewhat dramatic situation into a simpler story. We
>> > want
>> >
>> > to make it clear right now that we did not, and have no wish to quit TG.
>> >
>> > Obviously there is more involved than just that simple statement.
>> >
>> > Personally, at this point of my life, my position is that the inner
>> > workings
>> >
>> > and dynamics of any band, but especially of TG, are as intimate, unique
>> > and
>> >
>> > most of all complex as they are within any family. Unfortunately, even at
>> >
>> > the level TG occupy in popular culture, band business becomes potentially
>> >
>> > everyone’s business. We all know the internet has amplified the speed of
>> >
>> > distribution of “information” almost as fast as it has accelerated the
>> >
>> > decline of accuracy worldwide. We have no interest in pointing fingers
>> > (or
>> >
>> > is it claws?) at various people or sites and accusing them of letting the
>> >
>> > cat out of the bag. Bickering is never attractive, not one on one nor
>> > within
>> >
>> > the realms of an ever expanding media fueled by smart phone technologies
>> > and
>> >
>> > laptops. As soon as we have composed a written version of what series of
>> >
>> > events we believe led to my feeling unable to remain part of THIS short
>> > tour
>> >
>> > by the re-grouped TG that feels acceptable we will post it here.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Genesis Breyer P-Orridge & Ryan Martin
>> >
>> > From: Jasper Dionisio
>> >
>> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:45 PM
>> >
>> > To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>> >
>> > I read an interview with Chris Carter maybe a year or two ago, and from
>> > his
>> >
>> > answers I got the impression he doesn't like Genesis at all. There was
>> > even
>> >
>> > one question where he was asked if they do it (TG) "for the girls," and
>> >
>> > Chris Carter said something like "well obviously Sleazy and Gen don't do
>> > it
>> >
>> > for the girls, and I'm in a committed relationship with Cosey," as if to
>> >
>> > imply that Genesis is gay. So, I don't know very much of anything because
>> > I
>> >
>> > haven't really gotten around to reading my Wreckers of Civilisation, but
>> > it
>> >
>> > always seemed to me the main reason for their breakup was animosity
>> > between
>> >
>> > Genesis and Chris Carter because of Cosey, and judging from the tone of
>> >
>> > Chris' answers in that interview whenever Gen was the topic, it seems
>> > that
>> >
>> > animosity might still be alive.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:55 AM, InnerSanctum XVIII
>> >
>> > <the_adversary at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It's time for some major Gen bashing again. I'm just waiting for Fred
>> >
>> > Gianelli to join the party. They're having plenty of fun on the COIL-list
>> > as
>> >
>> > well. Join the campaign. No need to wait for more details on the
>> > background.
>> >
>> > It's all Genesis fault anyway. He's an untalanted, evil, detached
>> > druggie.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > With followers who despise him/her that much It's no wonder he's had it
>> > and
>> >
>> > leaves for N.Y.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Fredrik
>> >
>> > From: Grant Regnaert
>> >
>> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:58 PM
>> >
>> > To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>> >
>> > I wouldn't doubt it. He seemed pretty altered and talkative the first
>> > night
>> >
>> > in Chicago at TG gig last April. The 2nd night he was grouchy and I didnt
>> >
>> > talk to him much. And at the PTV gig a couple years back I can confirm he
>> >
>> > was high... He was practically begging me for more morphine. At the start
>> > of
>> >
>> > the show he seemed a bit grumpy. I was front row,  just 2 feet from Gen
>> > and
>> >
>> > when he saw me take my morphine for my back, he got really excited and
>> > asked
>> >
>> > for one, claiming his knee was hurting him... So I slipped him a pill. He
>> >
>> > perked right up for the show, then afterwards he kept asking me for more,
>> >
>> > for himself and Jackie. Then less than 2 months later, she sadly died.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:37:39 -0200
>> >
>> > From: sergio433 at gmail.com
>> >
>> > To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Probably, too much smack.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > s.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/10/29 bernard <bernard at sdreyer.no>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Gen was looking very detached at the concert.
>> >
>> > On 29. okt. 2010, at 13.21, DIL23 wrote:
>> >> again! 8-(
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> see www.throbbing-gristle.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> DIL23
>> >>
>> >> :)
>> >>
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