[Grief] TG split

DIL23 hex at blueyonder.co.uk
Fri Nov 5 08:14:21 PDT 2010


hmmm - think *we* might be being used to confuse - and sidestep the real issue 
of 'what the fuck actually happened?'

not sure that 'personal' managers are a good idea either - last time I looked 
TG were a ***group***!

DIL23
:)


On Friday 05 November 2010 14:59:22 Grant Regnaert wrote:
> Hmm...maybe you're right. Could be that's what Gen means by "We"....but I
> didn't realize that he was still referring to them together since Jackie
> passed away. Also, I know he was Lady Jaye, and she was he... Because I
> thought the whole idea was to merge/mesh their 2 seperate "We" identities
> into one being, as "I" for the both of them? So if that IS the case then
> why say "We"? But then I don't really know anymore... I havent followed it
> for a few years, so I am not up to speed with his whole pandrogenous
> terminology and what he currently believes this week.
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:40:54 -0400
> From: idoltaxi at gmail.com
> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>
> Grant: It's "we" because he is also Lady Jaye, remember? Or that's what I
> thought. They've been "we" for a while now.
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 7:45 AM, LIC <lactose.intolerant.cat at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> The original notice that was published on the TG site, looked like
>
> someone had had a few hits from the hotel mini bar and sent a pissed
>
> (drunken) email, then went and had an oh shit moment.  In the recent
>
> post from Gen it looks like he's getting ready to hop on a tall horse,
>
> and start flailing his hand bag about again, as happened a while back
>
> when  cosey had an exibition at the tate, and he gave a rather nasty
>
> interview to some art magazine.
>
>
>
> my 2c
>
> On 5 November 2010 14:12, Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes, it is quite strange. I mean why tell us that you are going to
> > "compose
> >
> > a written version of the series of events we believe led to my being
> > unable
> >
> > to remain part of this short tour by the regrouped TG that feels
> > acceptable
> >
> > to us, we will post it."? Why not just tell us now?? And where he says
> > the
> >
> > reasons that "feels acceptable" to us, it sort of comes across like he
> >
> > doesn't quite know why he left himself yet! Haha. But yes, it seems
> > pretty
> >
> > veiled. I have no idea what he is alluding to either. But I find it funny
> >
> > that he says "WE did not and have no wish to quit TG." We? I didn't
> > realize
> >
> > that his gopher/assistant/errand boy Ryan was a member of TG. Lol. But
> >
> > seriously, I am really looking forward to what his reasons for leaving
> >
> > are/were. And hopefully it will make more sense and shed some light on
> > this
> >
> > whole situation, once he finally does make his official statement.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: swindonbakery at gmail.com
> >
> > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:57:56 -0700
> >
> > To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
> >
> >
> >
> > Strange. It's not a statement about leaving, but on the leaving.
> >
> > It's sober, but actually reading it through it's pretty veiled.  What the
> >
> > hell is he alluding to most of the time?
> >
> > And strange that he says he has (not had) no wish to quit TG. Huh? Why
> > the
> >
> > present tense?
> >
> > Perhaps more will be revealed that makes sense.
> >
> > On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:44 PM, InnerSanctum XVIII wrote:
> >
> > Recently posted on Genesis site:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> >
> >
> > We have seen and heard various inaccurate, erroneous, even sometimes
> >
> > libelous speculations about why we felt compelled to drop out of the
> > current
> >
> > Throbbing Gristle tour. As a result we intend to address these matters in
> >
> > full as soon as possible. We hope that what we state now, and later, will
> > be
> >
> > clear, will not fan the flames of destructive gossip, will not seem
> > negative
> >
> > and will reduce an somewhat dramatic situation into a simpler story. We
> > want
> >
> > to make it clear right now that we did not, and have no wish to quit TG.
> >
> > Obviously there is more involved than just that simple statement.
> >
> > Personally, at this point of my life, my position is that the inner
> > workings
> >
> > and dynamics of any band, but especially of TG, are as intimate, unique
> > and
> >
> > most of all complex as they are within any family. Unfortunately, even at
> >
> > the level TG occupy in popular culture, band business becomes potentially
> >
> > everyone’s business. We all know the internet has amplified the speed of
> >
> > distribution of “information” almost as fast as it has accelerated the
> >
> > decline of accuracy worldwide. We have no interest in pointing fingers
> > (or
> >
> > is it claws?) at various people or sites and accusing them of letting the
> >
> > cat out of the bag. Bickering is never attractive, not one on one nor
> > within
> >
> > the realms of an ever expanding media fueled by smart phone technologies
> > and
> >
> > laptops. As soon as we have composed a written version of what series of
> >
> > events we believe led to my feeling unable to remain part of THIS short
> > tour
> >
> > by the re-grouped TG that feels acceptable we will post it here.
> >
> >
> >
> > Genesis Breyer P-Orridge & Ryan Martin
> >
> > From: Jasper Dionisio
> >
> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:45 PM
> >
> > To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
> >
> > I read an interview with Chris Carter maybe a year or two ago, and from
> > his
> >
> > answers I got the impression he doesn't like Genesis at all. There was
> > even
> >
> > one question where he was asked if they do it (TG) "for the girls," and
> >
> > Chris Carter said something like "well obviously Sleazy and Gen don't do
> > it
> >
> > for the girls, and I'm in a committed relationship with Cosey," as if to
> >
> > imply that Genesis is gay. So, I don't know very much of anything because
> > I
> >
> > haven't really gotten around to reading my Wreckers of Civilisation, but
> > it
> >
> > always seemed to me the main reason for their breakup was animosity
> > between
> >
> > Genesis and Chris Carter because of Cosey, and judging from the tone of
> >
> > Chris' answers in that interview whenever Gen was the topic, it seems
> > that
> >
> > animosity might still be alive.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:55 AM, InnerSanctum XVIII
> >
> > <the_adversary at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > It's time for some major Gen bashing again. I'm just waiting for Fred
> >
> > Gianelli to join the party. They're having plenty of fun on the COIL-list
> > as
> >
> > well. Join the campaign. No need to wait for more details on the
> > background.
> >
> > It's all Genesis fault anyway. He's an untalanted, evil, detached
> > druggie.
> >
> >
> >
> > With followers who despise him/her that much It's no wonder he's had it
> > and
> >
> > leaves for N.Y.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Fredrik
> >
> > From: Grant Regnaert
> >
> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:58 PM
> >
> > To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
> >
> > I wouldn't doubt it. He seemed pretty altered and talkative the first
> > night
> >
> > in Chicago at TG gig last April. The 2nd night he was grouchy and I didnt
> >
> > talk to him much. And at the PTV gig a couple years back I can confirm he
> >
> > was high... He was practically begging me for more morphine. At the start
> > of
> >
> > the show he seemed a bit grumpy. I was front row,  just 2 feet from Gen
> > and
> >
> > when he saw me take my morphine for my back, he got really excited and
> > asked
> >
> > for one, claiming his knee was hurting him... So I slipped him a pill. He
> >
> > perked right up for the show, then afterwards he kept asking me for more,
> >
> > for himself and Jackie. Then less than 2 months later, she sadly died.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:37:39 -0200
> >
> > From: sergio433 at gmail.com
> >
> > To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
> >
> >
> >
> > Probably, too much smack.
> >
> >
> >
> > s.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2010/10/29 bernard <bernard at sdreyer.no>
> >
> >
> >
> > Gen was looking very detached at the concert.
> >
> > On 29. okt. 2010, at 13.21, DIL23 wrote:
> >> again! 8-(
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> see www.throbbing-gristle.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
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