[Grief] TG split

Grant Regnaert tripreset at hotmail.com
Fri Nov 5 02:34:46 PDT 2010


Yup. That is exactly what's going on! Those bastards!!! How dare they abuse their laptops in such a manner. Oh me, oh my, oh moo... I would be upset, too... Oh yes, let me tell you!

From: kivanson at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 00:36:48 -0700
To: grief at hollyfeld.org
Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split

And I'm pretty sure that the other members are really just using those laptops to surf the internet and/or to chat to each other about Gen. No wonder he's upset!


On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Angus Spottiswoode <swindonbakery at gmail.com> wrote:



And what's all this complaining about "smartphones and laptops"? What the hell have laptops got to do with it?


Hmm. There's three of the things on stage... and they all belong to the OTHER members! 






On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:32 PM, Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com> wrote:




And yeah, now it seems from what he says that he just quit this tour, not TG...But when the TG announcement first came out last week, it came across as if Gen had left TG for good, and X-TG was now to be the new TG. But I agree with you Angus, whether it is X-TG, RE-TG, TG NOW, or TG, fine by me as long as they keep making great music! But when John Balance didn't show up for the 3 gigs in a row in 2003, during Coil's mini tour, and it was just Sleazy and Thighpaulsandra playing live, they still called themselves COIL, even though their front man, John, missed 3 gigs. So I think with TG, that's what made it a bit more confusing when TG, changed the name to X-TG, alluding to the idea that Gen HAD quit TG for good, and not just the present tour, as he is currently claiming is the case. Well, we'll see what the future holds.





From: swindonbakery at gmail.com
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 20:03:50 -0700
To: grief at hollyfeld.org


Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split

Yeah, that's what it seems to me. So when X-TG finish, I guess we'll have RE-TG. Oh wait, we already had that.  
X-TG/RE-TG/TG, whatever, so long as they keep playing/recording, I'm good.






On Nov 4, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Karl Ivanson wrote:
To me it reads that Gen is just quitting the tour, not TG.


On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:54 PM, s. borges <sergio433 at gmail.com> wrote:




my old books on semiology would come handy here....s.


 
2010/11/4 Angus Spottiswoode <swindonbakery at gmail.com> 





Strange. It's not a statement about leaving, but on the leaving.  
It's sober, but actually reading it through it's pretty veiled.  What the hell is he alluding to most of the time?
And strange that he says he has (not had) no wish to quit TG. Huh? Why the present tense?
Perhaps more will be revealed that makes sense.






On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:44 PM, InnerSanctum XVIII wrote:


Recently posted on Genesis site:
 
Dear Friends,
 
We have seen and heard various inaccurate, erroneous, even sometimes libelous speculations about why we felt compelled to drop out of the current Throbbing Gristle tour. As a result we intend to address these matters in full as soon as possible. We hope that what we state now, and later, will be clear, will not fan the flames of destructive gossip, will not seem negative and will reduce an somewhat dramatic situation into a simpler story. We want to make it clear right now that we did not, and have no wish to quit TG. Obviously there is more involved than just that simple statement. Personally, at this point of my life, my position is that the inner workings and dynamics of any band, but especially of TG, are as intimate, unique and most of all complex as they are within any family. Unfortunately, even at the level TG occupy in popular culture, band business becomes potentially everyone’s business. We all know the internet has amplified the speed of distribution of “information” almost as fast as it has accelerated the decline of accuracy worldwide. We have no interest in pointing fingers (or is it claws?) at various people or sites and accusing them of letting the cat out of the bag. Bickering is never attractive, not one on one nor within the realms of an ever expanding media fueled by smart phone technologies and laptops. As soon as we have composed a written version of what series of events we believe led to my feeling unable to remain part of THIS short tour by the re-grouped TG that feels acceptable we will post it here.


 
Genesis Breyer P-Orridge & Ryan Martin




From: Jasper Dionisio 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:45 PM
To: grief at hollyfeld.org 
Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split

I read an interview with Chris Carter maybe a year or two ago, and from his answers I got the impression he doesn't like Genesis at all. There was even one question where he was asked if they do it (TG) "for the girls," and Chris Carter said something like "well obviously Sleazy and Gen don't do it for the girls, and I'm in a committed relationship with Cosey," as if to imply that Genesis is gay. So, I don't know very much of anything because I haven't really gotten around to reading my Wreckers of Civilisation, but it always seemed to me the main reason for their breakup was animosity between Genesis and Chris Carter because of Cosey, and judging from the tone of Chris' answers in that interview whenever Gen was the topic, it seems that animosity might still be alive.




On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:55 AM, InnerSanctum XVIII <the_adversary at hotmail.com> wrote:





It's time for some major Gen bashing again. I'm just waiting for Fred Gianelli to join the party. They're having plenty of fun on the COIL-list as well. Join the campaign. No need to wait for more details on the background. It's all Genesis fault anyway. He's an untalanted, evil, detached druggie.


 
With followers who despise him/her that much It's no wonder he's had it and leaves for N.Y.
 
-Fredrik




From: Grant Regnaert 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:58 PM
To: grief at hollyfeld.org 
Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split

I wouldn't doubt it. He seemed pretty altered and talkative the first night in Chicago at TG gig last April. The 2nd night he was grouchy and I didnt talk to him much. And at the PTV gig a couple years back I can confirm he was high... He was practically begging me for more morphine. At the start of the show he seemed a bit grumpy. I was front row,  just 2 feet from Gen and when he saw me take my morphine for my back, he got really excited and asked for one, claiming his knee was hurting him... So I slipped him a pill. He perked right up for the show, then afterwards he kept asking me for more, for himself and Jackie. Then less than 2 months later, she sadly died.





Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:37:39 -0200
From: sergio433 at gmail.com
To: grief at hollyfeld.org


Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split


Probably, too much smack.
 
s.


2010/10/29 bernard <bernard at sdreyer.no>

Gen was looking very detached at the concert.






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> again! 8-(
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