[Grief] TG split

Karl Ivanson kivanson at gmail.com
Fri Nov 5 00:36:48 PDT 2010


And I'm pretty sure that the other members are really just using those
laptops to surf the internet and/or to chat to each other about Gen. No
wonder he's upset!

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Angus Spottiswoode <swindonbakery at gmail.com
> wrote:

>  And what's all this complaining about "smartphones and laptops"? What the
> hell have laptops got to do with it?
>
> Hmm. There's three of the things on stage... and they all belong to the
> OTHER members!
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:32 PM, Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  And yeah, now it seems from what he says that he just quit this tour, not
> TG...But when the TG announcement first came out last week, it came across
> as if Gen had left TG for good, and X-TG was now to be the new TG. But I
> agree with you Angus, whether it is X-TG, RE-TG, TG NOW, or TG, fine by me
> as long as they keep making great music! But when John Balance didn't show
> up for the 3 gigs in a row in 2003, during Coil's mini tour, and it was just
> Sleazy and Thighpaulsandra playing live, they still called themselves COIL,
> even though their front man, John, missed 3 gigs. So I think with TG, that's
> what made it a bit more confusing when TG, changed the name to X-TG,
> alluding to the idea that Gen HAD quit TG for good, and not just the present
> tour, as he is currently claiming is the case. Well, we'll see what the
> future holds.
>
> ------------------------------
> From: swindonbakery at gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 20:03:50 -0700
> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>
> Yeah, that's what it seems to me. So when X-TG finish, I guess we'll have
> RE-TG. Oh wait, we already had that.
> X-TG/RE-TG/TG, whatever, so long as they keep playing/recording, I'm good.
>
>  On Nov 4, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Karl Ivanson wrote:
>
> To me it reads that Gen is just quitting the tour, not TG.
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:54 PM, s. borges <sergio433 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> my old books on semiology would come handy here....s.
>
>
>
> 2010/11/4 Angus Spottiswoode <swindonbakery at gmail.com>
>
>  Strange. It's not a statement about leaving, but on the leaving.
> It's sober, but actually reading it through it's pretty veiled.  What the
> hell is he alluding to most of the time?
> And strange that he says he has (not had) no wish to quit TG. Huh? Why the
> present tense?
> Perhaps more will be revealed that makes sense.
>
>  On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:44 PM, InnerSanctum XVIII wrote:
>
>  Recently posted on Genesis site:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> We have seen and heard various inaccurate, erroneous, even sometimes
> libelous speculations about why we felt compelled to drop out of the current
> Throbbing Gristle tour. As a result we intend to address these matters in
> full as soon as possible. We hope that what we state now, and later, will be
> clear, will not fan the flames of destructive gossip, will not seem negative
> and will reduce an somewhat dramatic situation into a simpler story. We want
> to make it clear right now that we did not, and have no wish to quit TG.
> Obviously there is more involved than just that simple statement.
> Personally, at this point of my life, my position is that the inner workings
> and dynamics of any band, but especially of TG, are as intimate, unique and
> most of all complex as they are within any family. Unfortunately, even at
> the level TG occupy in popular culture, band business becomes potentially
> everyone’s business. We all know the internet has amplified the speed of
> distribution of “information” almost as fast as it has accelerated the
> decline of accuracy worldwide. We have no interest in pointing fingers (or
> is it claws?) at various people or sites and accusing them of letting the
> cat out of the bag. Bickering is never attractive, not one on one nor within
> the realms of an ever expanding media fueled by smart phone technologies and
> laptops. As soon as we have composed a written version of what series of
> events we believe led to my feeling unable to remain part of THIS short tour
> by the re-grouped TG that feels acceptable we will post it here.
>
> Genesis Breyer P-Orridge & Ryan Martin
>
>  *From:* Jasper Dionisio <strangers at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2010 5:45 PM
> *To:* grief at hollyfeld.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Grief] TG split
>
> I read an interview with Chris Carter maybe a year or two ago, and from his
> answers I got the impression he doesn't like Genesis at all. There was even
> one question where he was asked if they do it (TG) "for the girls," and
> Chris Carter said something like "well obviously Sleazy and Gen don't do it
> for the girls, and I'm in a committed relationship with Cosey," as if to
> imply that Genesis is gay. So, I don't know very much of anything because I
> haven't really gotten around to reading my Wreckers of Civilisation, but it
> always seemed to me the main reason for their breakup was animosity between
> Genesis and Chris Carter because of Cosey, and judging from the tone of
> Chris' answers in that interview whenever Gen was the topic, it seems that
> animosity might still be alive.
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:55 AM, InnerSanctum XVIII <
> the_adversary at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  It's time for some major Gen bashing again. I'm just waiting for Fred
> Gianelli to join the party. They're having plenty of fun on the COIL-list as
> well. Join the campaign. No need to wait for more details on the background.
> It's all Genesis fault anyway. He's an untalanted, evil, detached druggie.
>
> With followers who despise him/her that much It's no wonder he's had it and
> leaves for N.Y.
>
> -Fredrik
>
>  *From:* Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2010 4:58 PM
> *To:* grief at hollyfeld.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Grief] TG split
>
> I wouldn't doubt it. He seemed pretty altered and talkative the first night
> in Chicago at TG gig last April. The 2nd night he was grouchy and I didnt
> talk to him much. And at the PTV gig a couple years back I can confirm he
> was high... He was practically begging me for more morphine. At the start of
> the show he seemed a bit grumpy. I was front row,  just 2 feet from Gen and
> when he saw me take my morphine for my back, he got really excited and asked
> for one, claiming his knee was hurting him... So I slipped him a pill. He
> perked right up for the show, then afterwards he kept asking me for more,
> for himself and Jackie. Then less than 2 months later, she sadly died.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:37:39 -0200
> From: sergio433 at gmail.com
> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>
> Probably, too much smack.
>
> s.
>
> 2010/10/29 bernard <bernard at sdreyer.no>
>
> Gen was looking very detached at the concert.
>
>
>
> On 29. okt. 2010, at 13.21, DIL23 wrote:
>
> > again! 8-(
> >
> > see www.throbbing-gristle.com
> >
> > DIL23
> > :)
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