[Grief] TG split

Karl Ivanson kivanson at gmail.com
Thu Nov 4 19:55:58 PDT 2010


To me it reads that Gen is just quitting the tour, not TG.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:54 PM, s. borges <sergio433 at gmail.com> wrote:

> my old books on semiology would come handy here....s.
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> 2010/11/4 Angus Spottiswoode <swindonbakery at gmail.com>
>
>  Strange. It's not a statement about leaving, but on the leaving.
>> It's sober, but actually reading it through it's pretty veiled.  What the
>> hell is he alluding to most of the time?
>> And strange that he says he has (not had) no wish to quit TG. Huh? Why the
>> present tense?
>> Perhaps more will be revealed that makes sense.
>>
>>  On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:44 PM, InnerSanctum XVIII wrote:
>>
>>  Recently posted on Genesis site:
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> We have seen and heard various inaccurate, erroneous, even sometimes
>> libelous speculations about why we felt compelled to drop out of the current
>> Throbbing Gristle tour. As a result we intend to address these matters in
>> full as soon as possible. We hope that what we state now, and later, will be
>> clear, will not fan the flames of destructive gossip, will not seem negative
>> and will reduce an somewhat dramatic situation into a simpler story. We want
>> to make it clear right now that we did not, and have no wish to quit TG.
>> Obviously there is more involved than just that simple statement.
>> Personally, at this point of my life, my position is that the inner workings
>> and dynamics of any band, but especially of TG, are as intimate, unique and
>> most of all complex as they are within any family. Unfortunately, even at
>> the level TG occupy in popular culture, band business becomes potentially
>> everyone’s business. We all know the internet has amplified the speed of
>> distribution of “information” almost as fast as it has accelerated the
>> decline of accuracy worldwide. We have no interest in pointing fingers (or
>> is it claws?) at various people or sites and accusing them of letting the
>> cat out of the bag. Bickering is never attractive, not one on one nor within
>> the realms of an ever expanding media fueled by smart phone technologies and
>> laptops. As soon as we have composed a written version of what series of
>> events we believe led to my feeling unable to remain part of THIS short tour
>> by the re-grouped TG that feels acceptable we will post it here.
>>
>> Genesis Breyer P-Orridge & Ryan Martin
>>
>>  *From:* Jasper Dionisio <strangers at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2010 5:45 PM
>> *To:* grief at hollyfeld.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Grief] TG split
>>
>> I read an interview with Chris Carter maybe a year or two ago, and from
>> his answers I got the impression he doesn't like Genesis at all. There was
>> even one question where he was asked if they do it (TG) "for the girls," and
>> Chris Carter said something like "well obviously Sleazy and Gen don't do it
>> for the girls, and I'm in a committed relationship with Cosey," as if to
>> imply that Genesis is gay. So, I don't know very much of anything because I
>> haven't really gotten around to reading my Wreckers of Civilisation, but it
>> always seemed to me the main reason for their breakup was animosity between
>> Genesis and Chris Carter because of Cosey, and judging from the tone of
>> Chris' answers in that interview whenever Gen was the topic, it seems that
>> animosity might still be alive.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:55 AM, InnerSanctum XVIII <
>> the_adversary at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  It's time for some major Gen bashing again. I'm just waiting for Fred
>>> Gianelli to join the party. They're having plenty of fun on the COIL-list as
>>> well. Join the campaign. No need to wait for more details on the background.
>>> It's all Genesis fault anyway. He's an untalanted, evil, detached druggie.
>>>
>>> With followers who despise him/her that much It's no wonder he's had it
>>> and leaves for N.Y.
>>>
>>> -Fredrik
>>>
>>>  *From:* Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2010 4:58 PM
>>> *To:* grief at hollyfeld.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Grief] TG split
>>>
>>> I wouldn't doubt it. He seemed pretty altered and talkative the first
>>> night in Chicago at TG gig last April. The 2nd night he was grouchy and I
>>> didnt talk to him much. And at the PTV gig a couple years back I can confirm
>>> he was high... He was practically begging me for more morphine. At the start
>>> of the show he seemed a bit grumpy. I was front row,  just 2 feet from Gen
>>> and when he saw me take my morphine for my back, he got really excited and
>>> asked for one, claiming his knee was hurting him... So I slipped him a pill.
>>> He perked right up for the show, then afterwards he kept asking me for more,
>>> for himself and Jackie. Then less than 2 months later, she sadly died.
>>>
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>>> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:37:39 -0200
>>> From: sergio433 at gmail.com
>>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Grief] TG split
>>>
>>> Probably, too much smack.
>>>
>>> s.
>>>
>>> 2010/10/29 bernard <bernard at sdreyer.no>
>>>
>>> Gen was looking very detached at the concert.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29. okt. 2010, at 13.21, DIL23 wrote:
>>>
>>> > again! 8-(
>>> >
>>> > see www.throbbing-gristle.com
>>> >
>>> > DIL23
>>> > :)
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