[Grief] info from Cosey...

Jon Whitney turbid at gmail.com
Wed Oct 22 16:51:06 PDT 2008


Actually the UK pound is down to $1.62.  It was over $2 in June.



On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Kevin <sandalo at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Whist not defending or criticising the cost, and not having made a decision
> as to whether or not I'm going to buy the record, I think TG have a valid
> point.
>
> We've all benefited from free downloads, including this performance, most
> have probably paid over the odds for something on the second-hand market,
> and an artist does have to make a living. TG aren't exactly going to get
> rich on any product, whatever the retail price. We all have a choice if we
> want to buy the record or the download, and I doubt any completist has a
> problem forking out the asking price.
>
> I'm also not sure how people in the euro-zone feel about the cost, but I do
> understand that with exchange rates as they are, it may well be prohibitive
> for those in the US, but that isn't the fault of TG!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "InnerSanctum XXVIII"
> <fredrik.ostrom at telia.com>
> To: <grief at hollyfeld.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Grief] info from Cosey...
>
>
>> I just read the following, rather pathetic, statement on T.G.'s site.
>> Suddenly Gen is on the wagon. Notice have the statement is signed. T.G.
>> has
>> ALWAYS listed the participants name in alphabetical order, but not on this
>> occasion. And as far as I know Gen is NOW known as Genesis Breyer
>> P-Orridge.
>> This 32AR is becoming a farce... Well, here's the statement:
>>
>> When the Framed & Numbered Limited-Edition of The Thirty-Second Annual
>> Report of Throbbing Gristle record is released on November 4th 2008 we are
>> also making the music component and associated PDFs available in various
>> digital download formats starting at £ 7.77 (the same number as the
>> pressing). It has always been our intention to also make this release
>> available as a digital download, so those interested will have a choice:
>> to
>> own and to add to their collections a reasonably priced original Throbbing
>> Gristle limited-edition Artwork, or the chance to hear the music alone.
>>
>> Industrial Records Limited takes pride in releasing all kinds of
>> non-'industry-standard' products. This strategy began in the late 1970s'
>> when Industrial Records released a limited-edition boxed-set of cassettes
>> of
>> Throbbing Gristle live performances. The price of that boxed-set
>> translated
>> to the current 'cost of living' index would now cost in excess of £270.
>> Just
>> as at the inception of Industrial Records some 30 years ago, we plan to
>> continue to challenge preconceptions about the nature of Art, Music and
>> Entertainment.
>>
>> We do not expect all those interested to be be able to afford all our
>> products, some of which are (and will be) expensive, not only to
>> manufacture
>> but also to distribute. However, at the same time we do not want anyone to
>> feel obligated to buy high priced Artifacts simply for the music they
>> include.
>> We intend to continue this trend and, in time, manufacture units or boxes,
>> artifacts and installations for home, shop or gallery that have a TG-style
>> audio generating element to them. This work has already begun with an
>> installation (titled A=p=p=a=r=i=t=i=o=n) presently at the 2008 Yokohama
>> Art
>> Biennial, which features Throbbing Gristle's collaboration with renowned
>> White Cube artist Cerith Wynn Evans.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are constantly surprised by the prices paid for old, second-hand
>> Throbbing Gristle and Industrial Records items sold in collector stores,
>> and
>> particularly from one collector to another on auction sites such as ebay.
>> But we are mystified as to why that practice should be acceptable, but it
>> is
>> not acceptable to pay those kinds of sums to the original Artist whose
>> imagination, effort and many, many hours of work created the product in
>> the
>> first place. This Framed Edition is priced in relation to its production
>> cost and NOT as a high priced elitist Art item. Pre-orders for the Framed
>> Edition are already extensive, and so, even if bought purely as an
>> investment, it seems likely to be a good one, even in these turbulent
>> financial times.
>>
>> Peter Christopherson, Cosey Fanni Tutti, Chris Carter & Genesis P-Orridge
>> for and on behalf of Industrial Records Limited - October 2008.
>>
>> Fredrik
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Regnaert "
>> <tripreset at hotmail.com>
>> To: <grief at hollyfeld.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:51 PM
>> Subject: FW: [Grief] info from Cosey...
>>
>>
>> See below...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Grant Regnaert  <tripreset at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: 10/21/2008 5:45:32 PM
>> To: grief at hollyfeid.org <grief at hollyfeid.org>
>> Subject: [Grief] info from Cosey...
>>
>>
>> I just got an email from Cosey Newby, re: 32 AR (thats what it said on her
>> new email address instead of Tutti...maybe shes decided to go back to her
>> birth-given name...Haha).
>> Anyway, she said to check the TG sites in a day or 2, as their will be new
>> info about 32 AR...either they will be offering a CD for sale by itself,
>> or
>> a dwnload of it. I guess will find out soon!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: InnerSanctum XXVIII <fredrik.ostrom at telia.com>
>> Sent: 10/21/2008 5:26:36 PM
>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org <grief at hollyfeld.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Grief] Backwards LP of 2nd Annual Report
>>
>>
>> I have both those Fetish releases, but I've never heard of a CD. If its
>> got
>> no label on it I assume someone ripped it of the LP and made a nice little
>> boot CDR. It wouldn't have been the first time in the history of T.G. ;-)
>> -Fredrik
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Regnaert "
>> <tripreset at hotmail.com>
>> To: <grief at hollyfeld.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:29 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Grief] Backwards LP of 2nd Annual Report
>>
>>
>> Thanks Mark. Yeah, I knew that Fetish released the Backwards 2nd AR on
>> vinyl
>> LP & in the 1981 5xLP box set.
>> But I have a bootleg CD of it (excellent quality too) with no label info
>> on
>> the case.
>> That was actually my question- Who put out the CD version of it?
>> I dont think Fetish put out the CD...but I could be wrong though.
>> Did Fetish put out a CD of it too?
>> Or did someone else release it on CD?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Stevens <markstevens at waitrose.com>
>> Sent: 10/21/2008 9:37:29 AM
>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org <grief at hollyfeld.org>
>> Subject: RE: [Grief] Backwards LP of 2nd Annual Report
>>
>>
>> If my memory serves me right, it was the third Fetish release of 2nd A.R.
>> released in 1981.  It was available prior to the FX1 box set but there
>> were
>> only 2,000 copies pressed.  The 2AR in the box set was indeed the
>> backwards
>> version of which there were 5,000 copies.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: grief-bounces at hollyfeld.org [mailto:grief-bounces at hollyfeld.org] On
>> Behalf Of Stichting Maldoror
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:05 AM
>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
>> Subject: Re: [Grief] Backwards LP of 2nd Annual Report
>>
>>
>> i think it was the fetish five album box (which was at a friends house
>> that
>> burned down... i still have the button somewhere :). gave up collecting
>> ages
>> ago
>>
>> ab
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/10/21, Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com>:
>>
>> You know, I agree... I also think the Paris gig rocks. Ive probably
>> listened
>> to it at least 20 times!
>> It really IS one of the better TG gigs from the last few yrs.
>> Unless TG does eventually make a much cheaper CD or LP of 32 AR, I'll keep
>> listening to my CDR.
>> BTW- I have a CD (bootleg) of the Backwards version of 2nd Annual Report
>> (with the chamber music mixed throughout "After Cease to Exist")...but it
>> doesnt have any label info on it. Ive had had it so long now that I dont
>> remember where I got it. Does anyone remember who put it out, or when?
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DIL23 <hex at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Sent: 10/20/2008 9:14:46 PM
>> To: grief at hollyfeld.org <grief at hollyfeld.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Grief] fait acompli
>>
>>
>> hey - I thought it was one of the best performances since regrouping too!
>> I'm
>> somewhat surprised Gen thinks it an "all time low for TG" - but then again
>> he
>> did storm off before the encore finished!
>>
>> ...and yeah - I much prefer physical product too - Sleazy did say a while
>> ago
>> that he thought it would be on CD too - maybe that's been replaced with
>> the
>> download? ... or we might need to wait for TG48 ;)
>>
>> DIL23
>> :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday 20 October 2008 16:23:48 Angus Spottiswoode wrote:
>>>
>>> Another fan's redundant two penny's worth: no, I will not be buying
>>> the LP. Yes, it is an art object I suppose, but I just want the music.
>>> Therefore I will probably be buying the download, providing it is
>>> reasonably priced.
>>>
>>> Judging from the net bootleg, in my opinion it was one of TG's finest
>>> performances. Genuinely disturbing.
>>> But, hey, what do I know?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2008, at 5:49 AM, telepathic at comcast.net wrote:
>>>
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