[Grief] info from Cosey...

ryan martin karnak77 at hotmail.com
Wed Oct 22 16:35:47 PDT 2008


I can tell you all for a fact that Gen is not on the wagon with this release, and does go by Genesis Breyer P-Orridge, hence showing that he/r name was stuck on the end of that by the other three members without consulting he/r (as per usual).

> From: fredrik.ostrom at telia.com
> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> Subject: Re: [Grief] info from Cosey...
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:18:14 +0200
> 
> I just read the following, rather pathetic, statement on T.G.'s site. 
> Suddenly Gen is on the wagon. Notice have the statement is signed. T.G. has 
> ALWAYS listed the participants name in alphabetical order, but not on this 
> occasion. And as far as I know Gen is NOW known as Genesis Breyer P-Orridge. 
> This 32AR is becoming a farce... Well, here's the statement:
> 
> When the Framed & Numbered Limited-Edition of The Thirty-Second Annual 
> Report of Throbbing Gristle record is released on November 4th 2008 we are 
> also making the music component and associated PDFs available in various 
> digital download formats starting at £ 7.77 (the same number as the 
> pressing). It has always been our intention to also make this release 
> available as a digital download, so those interested will have a choice: to 
> own and to add to their collections a reasonably priced original Throbbing 
> Gristle limited-edition Artwork, or the chance to hear the music alone.
> 
> Industrial Records Limited takes pride in releasing all kinds of 
> non-'industry-standard' products. This strategy began in the late 1970s' 
> when Industrial Records released a limited-edition boxed-set of cassettes of 
> Throbbing Gristle live performances. The price of that boxed-set translated 
> to the current 'cost of living' index would now cost in excess of £270. Just 
> as at the inception of Industrial Records some 30 years ago, we plan to 
> continue to challenge preconceptions about the nature of Art, Music and 
> Entertainment.
> 
> We do not expect all those interested to be be able to afford all our 
> products, some of which are (and will be) expensive, not only to manufacture 
> but also to distribute. However, at the same time we do not want anyone to 
> feel obligated to buy high priced Artifacts simply for the music they 
> include.
> We intend to continue this trend and, in time, manufacture units or boxes, 
> artifacts and installations for home, shop or gallery that have a TG-style 
> audio generating element to them. This work has already begun with an 
> installation (titled A=p=p=a=r=i=t=i=o=n) presently at the 2008 Yokohama Art 
> Biennial, which features Throbbing Gristle's collaboration with renowned 
> White Cube artist Cerith Wynn Evans.
> 
> 
> 
> We are constantly surprised by the prices paid for old, second-hand 
> Throbbing Gristle and Industrial Records items sold in collector stores, and 
> particularly from one collector to another on auction sites such as ebay. 
> But we are mystified as to why that practice should be acceptable, but it is 
> not acceptable to pay those kinds of sums to the original Artist whose 
> imagination, effort and many, many hours of work created the product in the 
> first place. This Framed Edition is priced in relation to its production 
> cost and NOT as a high priced elitist Art item. Pre-orders for the Framed 
> Edition are already extensive, and so, even if bought purely as an 
> investment, it seems likely to be a good one, even in these turbulent 
> financial times.
> 
> Peter Christopherson, Cosey Fanni Tutti, Chris Carter & Genesis P-Orridge
> for and on behalf of Industrial Records Limited - October 2008.
> 
> Fredrik
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Grant Regnaert " <tripreset at hotmail.com>
> To: <grief at hollyfeld.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:51 PM
> Subject: FW: [Grief] info from Cosey...
> 
> 
> See below...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Grant Regnaert  <tripreset at hotmail.com>
> Sent: 10/21/2008 5:45:32 PM
> To: grief at hollyfeid.org <grief at hollyfeid.org>
> Subject: [Grief] info from Cosey...
> 
> 
> I just got an email from Cosey Newby, re: 32 AR (thats what it said on her 
> new email address instead of Tutti...maybe shes decided to go back to her 
> birth-given name...Haha).
> Anyway, she said to check the TG sites in a day or 2, as their will be new 
> info about 32 AR...either they will be offering a CD for sale by itself, or 
> a dwnload of it. I guess will find out soon!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: InnerSanctum XXVIII <fredrik.ostrom at telia.com>
> Sent: 10/21/2008 5:26:36 PM
> To: grief at hollyfeld.org <grief at hollyfeld.org>
> Subject: Re: [Grief] Backwards LP of 2nd Annual Report
> 
> 
> I have both those Fetish releases, but I've never heard of a CD. If its got
> no label on it I assume someone ripped it of the LP and made a nice little
> boot CDR. It wouldn't have been the first time in the history of T.G. ;-)
> -Fredrik
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Grant Regnaert " <tripreset at hotmail.com>
> To: <grief at hollyfeld.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:29 PM
> Subject: RE: [Grief] Backwards LP of 2nd Annual Report
> 
> 
> Thanks Mark. Yeah, I knew that Fetish released the Backwards 2nd AR on vinyl
> LP & in the 1981 5xLP box set.
> But I have a bootleg CD of it (excellent quality too) with no label info on
> the case.
> That was actually my question- Who put out the CD version of it?
> I dont think Fetish put out the CD...but I could be wrong though.
> Did Fetish put out a CD of it too?
> Or did someone else release it on CD?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Stevens <markstevens at waitrose.com>
> Sent: 10/21/2008 9:37:29 AM
> To: grief at hollyfeld.org <grief at hollyfeld.org>
> Subject: RE: [Grief] Backwards LP of 2nd Annual Report
> 
> 
> If my memory serves me right, it was the third Fetish release of 2nd A.R.
> released in 1981.  It was available prior to the FX1 box set but there were
> only 2,000 copies pressed.  The 2AR in the box set was indeed the backwards
> version of which there were 5,000 copies.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grief-bounces at hollyfeld.org [mailto:grief-bounces at hollyfeld.org] On
> Behalf Of Stichting Maldoror
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:05 AM
> To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> Subject: Re: [Grief] Backwards LP of 2nd Annual Report
> 
> 
> i think it was the fetish five album box (which was at a friends house that
> burned down... i still have the button somewhere :). gave up collecting ages
> ago
> 
> ab
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2008/10/21, Grant Regnaert <tripreset at hotmail.com>:
> 
> You know, I agree... I also think the Paris gig rocks. Ive probably listened
> to it at least 20 times!
> It really IS one of the better TG gigs from the last few yrs.
> Unless TG does eventually make a much cheaper CD or LP of 32 AR, I'll keep
> listening to my CDR.
> BTW- I have a CD (bootleg) of the Backwards version of 2nd Annual Report
> (with the chamber music mixed throughout "After Cease to Exist")...but it
> doesnt have any label info on it. Ive had had it so long now that I dont
> remember where I got it. Does anyone remember who put it out, or when?
> Thanks!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DIL23 <hex at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Sent: 10/20/2008 9:14:46 PM
> To: grief at hollyfeld.org <grief at hollyfeld.org>
> Subject: Re: [Grief] fait acompli
> 
> 
> hey - I thought it was one of the best performances since regrouping too!
> I'm
> somewhat surprised Gen thinks it an "all time low for TG" - but then again
> he
> did storm off before the encore finished!
> 
> ...and yeah - I much prefer physical product too - Sleazy did say a while
> ago
> that he thought it would be on CD too - maybe that's been replaced with the
> download? ... or we might need to wait for TG48 ;)
> 
> DIL23
> :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday 20 October 2008 16:23:48 Angus Spottiswoode wrote:
> > Another fan's redundant two penny's worth: no, I will not be buying
> > the LP. Yes, it is an art object I suppose, but I just want the music.
> > Therefore I will probably be buying the download, providing it is
> > reasonably priced.
> >
> > Judging from the net bootleg, in my opinion it was one of TG's finest
> > performances. Genuinely disturbing.
> > But, hey, what do I know?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 20, 2008, at 5:49 AM, telepathic at comcast.net wrote:
> >
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