[Grief] Any more?

David Bourgoin david_bourgoin at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Apr 13 11:03:25 PDT 2006


There's a new New York Dolls album out soon!!!  

Dave B


--- miike <kitano61 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> christ!  i used crass as a joke.  the ultimate
> politically correct group.  and they've reformed
> (badly) too?
>   ok, elves.  for my next wish - the ramones. 
> there's more  beatles left alive than ramones now! 
> (ok, i despise both bands,  but let's see if we can
> lift this curse)
>   crass reforming.  sweet crispy christ, whatever
> next?
>   
>   kawa
>   
>   
>   
>   
> 
> stephen ives <stephen at digitalcutuplounge.com> wrote:
>  Well I played on the same bill as them as part of
> last years Exeter 
> TEXT festival - felt very sorry for the bemused
> looking scattering of 
> punks - as they had to suffer what can only be
> described as a 
> performance of pretentious utter crap - mainly
> consisting of badly 
> played jazz and wailing/moaning/muttering ...  
> trust me the TG debacle 
> has some point in comparison ...!
> 
> No problem with Crass / TG moving forward - but
> perhaps a re-branding 
> might be in order !!   I prefer my memories of Crass
> to be those of 
> from the heady days of Stonehenge festivals and the
> like !!
> 
> stephen .
> www.digitalcutuplounge.com
> 
> On 13 Apr 2006, at 09:24, mark wrote:
> 
> >
> > No idea what they are like but:
> >  
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crass_Agenda
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >
> > From: grief-bounces at hollyfeld.org
> [mailto:grief-bounces at hollyfeld.org] 
> > On Behalf Of miike
> > Sent: 13 April 2006 09:12
> > To: grief at hollyfeld.org
> > Subject: RE: [Grief] Any more?
> >  
> > i only used "mutant tg" as an example because
> someone else had brought 
> > up "tg now".  neither of which is "heathen earth",
> are they?
> >  imo, the gig at the astoria was interesting, no
> more than that.  
> > standing around outside in the baking sun for an
> hour because of the 
> > disorganisation inside?  the 19-deep queue at the
> bar?  four people 
> > who used to be in (also imo) the most important
> band this country's 
> > produced; now reduced to a circus.
> >  i haven't bothered seeing tg since, however
> reports back from those 
> > who have are getting progressively more scathing.
> >  this is not the same band that created "2nd
> annual report" under the 
> > last labour government, when punk was in full
> bloom.  this is not the 
> > same band that gave us "heathan earth" against a
> backdrop of thatcher, 
> > riots and new romantics..
> >  this is more like crosby, stills, nash & gristle.
>  the reunions, the 
> > corporate label, the stadium sized events.
> >  as someone pointed out earlier.  the live boxes
> are more than enough.
> >
> >  oh, and does anyone want to bet that if crass
> reformed tomorrow, it 
> > would be a hundred times worse?
> >
> >  kawa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Bourgoin  wrote:
> > Of course Mutant TG isn't going to make people go
> out
> >  and start bands it's a remix album.
> >
> >  But the gig at the Astoria was great the DVD of
> it
> >  looks just as great and I'm enjoying the new TG
> >  events.
> >  So many people want to just knock them down all
> the
> >  time and have some sort of desire to see them
> fail.
> >
> >  If you think it's that bad and that pointless
> than get
> >  up of your arse and go and do something
> yourselves
> >  instead of just complaining about TG reforming.
> >
> >  Dave B
> >
> >  --- miike wrote:
> >
> >  > couldn't have put it better myself. seeing tg
> as
> >  > the astoria was great - because they used to be
> a
> >  > great band that i didny see at the time.
> >  >
> >  > anybody think "mutant tg" is gonna make people
> go
> >  > out and start bands?
> >  >
> >  > kawa
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > "C. A. Polk" wrote: >>why
> >  > -did- they get back together?
> >  >
> >  > >Money? Better than ending up working at B&Q?
> >  >
> >  > And in the process, rendering the majority of
> their
> >  > previous rhetoric as a
> >  > bunch of nothing?
> >  >
> >  > This has been my whole point in all of my jabs.
> And
> >  > it's not even like I
> >  > personally get that worked up about issues like
> that
> >  > to begin with. But,
> >  > having said that - if somebody here can lay out
> some
> >  > really solid, valid,
> >  > artistic reasons that one should really be
> bothered
> >  > with them in 2006 (let
> >  > alone 2004 and 2005) - I'd love to hear about
> them.
> >  >
> >  > We have the live boxes now. There is enough in
> there
> >  > to delve into and
> >  > thoroughly enjoy for YEARS to come. Music that
> was,
> >  > at the time it was
> >  > created, very vital, and very relevant - and
> still
> >  > carries resonances from
> >  > that period to this day. How many people, even
> 5
> >  > years from now, do you
> >  > think will be getting all misty over TGNow?
> >  >
> >  > And as far as the delays - the people here who
> seem
> >  > to think EMI are
> >  > avoiding the situation, I would hazard a guess,
> have
> >  > got it ALL wrong. TG
> >  > are now, on their own scale, "living legend"
> >  > material. I guarantee you that
> >  > somebody, somewhere, within EMI, knows exactly
> what
> >  > they now have under
> >  > their umbrella. Beyond that, it's just
> standard,
> >  > inept, major label business
> >  > as usual.
> >  >
> >  > Now how about something more interesting - a
> poll of
> >  > favorites from the live
> >  > boxes, maybe? All tiime favorite tracks? I mean
> - if
> >  > it's gonna be all
> >  > fan-boy around here, then let's really go
> mental,
> >  > eh?. : >
> >  >
> >  >
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