[Grief] Various Questions, Issues, Comments, Desires...
triskela at hotmail.com
Thu Jan 8 11:17:47 EST 2004
Hello to the list!
I've been lurking on the list for a couple of weeks now. I've been learning
a lot about the new material that's out there nowadays...some of it's nice
to have access to after all of these years. I am a long-time collector of TG
material (since the late 70s), and while I'm not perhaps as fanatical as
some, I've still managed to have quite a nice collection. Still, some things
remain on my "want" list...although it looks like the time is ripe to either
get it now or forget about it forever. If the internet won't help, nothing
will...on my immediate "to do" list is getting TG24 and TG+. While those
collections will duplicate some material I have on vinyl, it certainly fills
in some empty spaces too. Sweet!
I was never keen to obtain the cassette versions of "24" because tapes
simply do not last. Some have complained about the mastering of the new CDs,
but let's face it as long as you have a document from beginning to end of a
show what else is really needed? The performance is the "whole" show, and it
is not comprised of indexed points for the probably debatable beginning and
ending of each song. From a digital standpoint, nothing prevents a person
from making their own "best of" collection from any of these CDs for their
own pleasure. For the lazy, there's already the TG Live 1-4 collection on CD
Here are some semi-tightly organized queries, or possible suggestions for
1. Someone recently mentioned Cosey nude photos. At first I thought that the
interest was prurient only (not that there's anything wrong with that, mind
you), but after reading much of Simon Ford's "Wreckers of Civilization" I
realized that the access to such materials is not an unworthy goal. If
someone can share this kind of material I'd really like to see would be
stuff specifically used for the "Prostitution" show, stuff posed by Cosey
during the earlier Coum period, and then perhaps any possible mail art
showing how these images were used by Cosey and Genesis in their collage
work. It looks like some of this kind of stuff might have been available for
a while on one or more of Cosey's own websites, but I missed it -- a zipfile
of any possible archive would be most appreciated.
2. Has anyone collected an archive of TG performance flyers? If so, where is
such a collection?
3. Has anyone archived "Industrial News"? If so, where is such an archive?
4. I'd really like to obtain a hi-res scan of the publicity photocard of
Cosey in Ford's book at page 8.28. If the other members of TG also produced
such publicity photocards, I'd like to see all of those too.
5. Is there any archive of posters and other publicity materials? If so,
where is such an archive?
6. Are a lot of these previously mentioned materials considered variously
"the grail" by collectors and therefore not available? Personally, I'd think
the collector value would be low -- I mean, I'd like to have access to some
digital facsimiles of this stuff but I don't see myself paying through the
nose for it - I'd assume this stuff was more likely just "rare" than
actually "highly desirable," per se. Does TG intend to document any of this
stuff for future release? In the main, I refer to text and images and not
really their "musical" output. Of course, it's a pity that a lot of this
didn't make its way into either TG24 or TG+ already -- the suggestion would
be that they are not interested in that stuff. Is there an officially
understood stance on the reproduction of these materials from the band
itself? They used to be seemingly quite generous about recordings of their
live performances, are things like "Industral News" more copy protected by
the band itself?
7. This last issue is a weird one because in many ways I'm not truly THAT
interested in people's private lives, but here goes nothing: What is the
past/present/future relationship between Peter Christopherson and John
Balance? Does John Balance have an illness that will likely effect his
future output? Is Coil defunct, or what?
I hope I have not been impertinent in any of my queries. If so please
excuse my ignorance of the relevant issues surrounding my desire of certain
information. It would certainly be the case that I just didn't know.
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