Path: shell.portal.com!shell.portal.com!not-for-mail From: nagasiva@yronwode.com (tyaginator) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,alt.religion.wicca,alt.pagan,alt.gothic Subject: Studying Magick (was something else; blah blah blah) Date: 13 Jun 1996 19:51:32 -0700 Organization: Portal Communications (shell) Lines: 111 Sender: tyagi@shell.portal.com Message-ID: <4pqk3k$qrp@jobe.shell.portal.com> References: <4plnie$j5j@crl9.crl.com> <4pmmqd$go9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: nagasiva@yronwode.com (tyaginator) NNTP-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Xref: shell.portal.com alt.magick:76169 alt.magick.tyagi:8495 alt.pagan.magick:706 talk.religion.misc:224082 talk.religion.newage:52600 alt.religion.wicca:30901 alt.pagan:162275 alt.gothic:188152 [prepare to receive program; probe injected] kaliyuga 49960613 AA1 STDYREF File Conceive |>To what extent has magic ever been studied? there are several ways to approach that question. I'll choose a few and see what I can come up with. in that magick may occur it is always after the fact when we know it best. in this way we not only have to always be watchful of the conditions of the experiment but also see to the results with our imaginative induction and radical criticism. as it varies with life, it cannot ever be studied. it can only be watched for and marvelled at, a beauteous event of cosmic relevance. Pliny appears to have left us a history, though its exact contents are for all I know as much of jest or metaphor or poesy than history. He appears to trace the history of magick back through Judaism to the Persian Magi, and further to Zoroaster the Mage. I had thought this unsubstantiated but have only just begun such an historical study myself. the field is awash with charlatans and we always get where we're going, right on time. a 'Bible of Theurgy' in Greek was written by Julian the Chaldean and given commentaries by Iamblichus and Proclus. I gather it is a magical classic and may contain quite a bit of previous studies: _The Chaldean Oracles_. in 1710 a paper called 'The Perfect and True Preparation of the Philosopher's Stone by the Brotherhood of the Golden and Rosy Cross' was penned and attributed to Sigmund Richter/Sincerus Renatus. it may be that this had quite specific instructions on the elements of magick. however, caution, as I've not yet seen it myself. :> _The Magus_ was compiled in 1801 by Francis Barrett and put into print works by Agrippa, Paracelsus and Kircher. I like what I've seen of it. Eliphas Levi wrote classics in the field, especially his 'Transcendental Magic:...'. his _History of Magic_ has a less vibrant reputation, yet it is indeed an attempt at presenting the history of magic in some form of structure. _Liber ABBA_ (Book Four, 'Magick in Theory and Practice', etc.) is a classic attempt to analyse the field of magick as a whole and with style inclusive of many traditions. OTO recently issued a new version of that composite. Gardner's _Witchcraft Today_ is probably more influential than it deserves, and yet its place in the history of magick within feminist and goddess-centered traditions is indisputable (first printed in '50s). While I don't refer to it very often on the subject, in 1969, _The Satanic Bible_, by Anton LaVey featured large sections on magic and its study and principles. Satanism was 'coming out' and Uncle Anton did it in style, with important references from his tradition. Since then there have been a number of books on the history of magick, its principles and qualities. Those I have used in my survey of its history and grimoires recently included: _The History of Magic_, by E.Levi, transl. by A.E.Waite., 1988. _The Encyclopedia of Ancient and Forbidden Knowledge_, by Zolar, 1970, Nash Publishing. _A Fascinating History of Witchcraft, Magic & Occultism_, by W.B.Crow, Wilshire Book Co., 1968. _The Black Arts_, by Richard Cavendish, Putnam, 1967. _The History of Magic and the Occult_, by Kurt Seligmann, Harmony/Crown 1975. _A History of Magic_, by Richard Cavendish, Arkana, 1987. _The Western Way_, by C/J Matthews, Arkana, 1986. Vols. 1 and 2. _The Occult_, by Colin Wilson, Random House, 1971. _Real Magic_, by Isaac Bonewits, Weiser, 1989. |>is there stuff like Grimours (sp?) yes, there are many grimoires. I was compiling a list of references just as you are asking about only recently, in preparation for another REF file for the alt.magick newsgroup. we'll see how far I get with that. you've encouraged me very much thus far. ;> the most popular grimoires appear to be the Necronomicon, (I like that of Giger, personally), the Book of the Law (burn it! burn it!), the Key of Solomon, and the Lemegeton ("Lesser Key of Solomon"). the first is legendary, the second over-emphasized, and the third and fourth are beautiful, though I hope they would inspire you to something greater. |>and stuff like that. that's enough for now. [disconnect response probe] pstuart@aol.com (PStuart) writes: |Magick has been studied for thousands of years. In the 19th and 20th |centuries there have even some very good scientific studies. 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