From OISPEGGY@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Fri May 23 07:01:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from kudonet.com by kudo20.kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA09628; Fri, 23 May 1997 07:01:10 -0700 Received: from vera.nni.com by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA22719; Fri, 23 May 1997 07:12:14 -0700 Received: from ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu ([128.205.100.3]) by vera.nni.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA93 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:08:30 -0400 Received: from ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu by ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (PMDF V5.0-5 #13849) id <01IJ7ECSS5HW90GST1@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu> for nagasiva@yronwode.com; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "MARGARET MARY-THERESA BROWN, SUNY BUFFALO" Subject: Re: Urine magic (was: Re: CYronwode: Magical Manipulation (was re: help to stop manipulation...) To: nagasiva@yronwode.com Message-id: <01IJ7ECSS6FQ90GST1@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu> Organization: University at Buffalo X-VMS-To: IN%"nagasiva@yronwode.com" X-VMS-Cc: OISPEGGY MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT content-length: 113 Status: RO >*this* I'll save to the FUKSPLS file, thanks! Gives new meaning to "follow the yellow brick road." - Peggy - Path: Supernews!supernews.com!news.he.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu!OISPEGGY From: oispeggy@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (MARGARET MARY-THERESA BROWN, SUNY BUFFALO) Newsgroups: alt.lucky.w,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.religion.orisha Subject: Re: Urine magic (was: Re: CYronwode: Magical Manipulation (was re: help to stop manipulation...) Date: 21 May 1997 12:52:01 GMT Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 66 Message-ID: <5lur5h$1ce@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> References: <01bc5fca$72f62de0$88c2b5cf@lauramar.flash.net> <337935E9.7743@luckymojo.com> <5li904$iir@kudo20.kudonet.com> <5lihn3$ok9@kudo20.kudonet.com>,<337D3053.1EA7@luckymojo.com> <5lptuq$p6t@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> ,<3381F516.735B@luckymojo.com> Reply-To: oispeggy@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu Xref: Supernews alt.lucky.w:1426 alt.magick.tyagi:12245 alt.magick:101993 alt.religion.orisha:421 In article <3381F516.735B@luckymojo.com>, catherine yronwode writes: >dennis long wrote: >> >> oispeggy@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu wrote: >> >> : Seems to me that urinating in the beloved's footprint would make an >> : excellent love/lust spell. >> >> seems to me that urinating in their mouth would be a sign of true >> love. > >I know you folks are somewhat in jest, but urination is actually a >commonplace in both European and African-American folk magic. I was not jesting in the least. Please do not confuse me with the snark who followed up my original post. Urinating in a footprint, as a lovespell, came to my mind because I read something similar once in a novel. But it was long ago and I can't recall the damn title so I didn't mention that. The novel was set during colonial times (USA) and the protaganist was a black slave woman. In the opening scene she was following a bunch of other people, moving the master's belongings somewhere or other. Then there was a slightly erotic description of her crouching and peeing in the street. Her soon-to-be lover (who was half native american) was much turned on by this....because the slave woman was sufficiently comfortable with her body and bodily functions that she was not embarrassed to crouch and pee in public. Maybe someone recalls the novel? It is likely a classic or minor classic. That was what originally inspired my comment. I just took it one step further and added the part about urinating in the beloved's footprint. That IMO is just good magick....You need some sort of connection to make it work and a fooprint IMO is an excellent connection. In this time and place its not really practical though as people leave so few bare footprints. >In hoodoo, it is sovreign gambling magic to have the beloved urinate on >a gambler's "lucky hand" (mojo bag containing a John the Conqueror Root >and a Lucky Hand Root) while at play. If the gambler and his sex partner >retire to an alley to perform the act while the game is in progress, so >much the better. This is called "feeding the mojo," and the use of the >word "feed" is, of course an indicative link to African magico-religious >thought, from whence this custom derives. (Lodestones are also "fed" in >hoodoo -- with magnetic sand.) There is something similar in one of Castaneda's novels. The women pee on their hands and snap their fingers to make (astral?) sparks. This is to scare off a power that is stalking them. >In European folk magic, urine is used in women's coffee and tea love >magic spells as a quick substitute for the REALLY heavy item, menstrual >blood. The idea is to get one's scent into the beloved's sphere of >consciousness. This is nothing more or less than pheromone-magic, and as >such it partakes of biology as much as it does of occult belief. Yes, I know someone who did the menstrual blood in her "target's" coffee. She is italian-american. I've heard about this from several italian- american friends over the years so it must be widely known. >catherine yronwode >The Lucky Mojo Curio Co.: http://www.luckymojo.com - Peggy - Path: Supernews!supernews.com!news.IAEhv.nl!news1.netusa.net!feed1.news.erols.com!feeder.chicago.cic.net!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "Nona C. Wright" Newsgroups: alt.lucky.w,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.religion.orisha Subject: Re: Urine magic (was: Re: CYronwode: Magical Manipulation (was re: help to stop manipulation...) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:02:17 -0700 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <33863008.2137@earthlink.net> References: <01bc5fca$72f62de0$88c2b5cf@lauramar.flash.net> <337935E9.7743@luckymojo.com> <5li904$iir@kudo20.kudonet.com> <5lihn3$ok9@kudo20.kudonet.com>,<337D3053.1EA7@luckymojo.com> <5lptuq$p6t@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu> <3381F516.735B@luckymojo.com> Reply-To: ncwright@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.26.85.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: Supernews alt.lucky.w:1445 alt.magick.tyagi:12321 alt.magick:102348 alt.religion.orisha:461 catherine yronwode wrote: > > dennis long wrote: > > > > oispeggy@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu wrote: > > > > : Seems to me that urinating in the beloved's footprint would make an > > : excellent love/lust spell. > > > > seems to me that urinating in their mouth would be a sign of true > > love. > > I know you folks are somewhat in jest, but urination is actually a > commonplace in both European and African-American folk magic. > > In hoodoo, it is sovreign gambling magic to have the beloved urinate on > a gambler's "lucky hand" (mojo bag containing a John the Conqueror Root > and a Lucky Hand Root) while at play. If the gambler and his sex partner > retire to an alley to perform the act while the game is in progress, so > much the better. This is called "feeding the mojo," and the use of the > word "feed" is, of course an indicative link to African magico-religious > thought, from whence this custom derives. (Lodestones are also "fed" in > hoodoo -- with magnetic sand.) > > In European folk magic, urine is used in women's coffee and tea love > magic spells as a quick substitute for the REALLY heavy item, menstrual > blood. The idea is to get one's scent into the beloved's sphere of > consciousness. This is nothing more or less than pheromone-magic, and as > such it partakes of biology as much as it does of occult belief. > > catherine yronwode > The Lucky Mojo Curio Co.: http://www.luckymojo.com Catherine, This is interesting. My late husband who was African American used to tell me his grandmother warned him never to "ahem" indulge in oral sex with a woman during her period because it would make him bound to her for life. I always took it as his querky sense of humor, and never followed it to the next conclusion that you could use menstrual blood in love spells. But on hindsight this seemed to be a very powerful thing to him as he swore he would never do it. To him it had to do with giving up his free choice to be with someone and somehow being under their power or control. Pretty strong magick. Nona Path: Supernews!supernews.com!news.he.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.best.com!nntp2.ba.best.com!not-for-mail From: dclxvi@best.com Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick Subject: Re: witchcraft Date: 4 Jun 1997 10:50:56 -0700 Organization: Best Internet Communications, Inc. - 415 964 BEST Lines: 42 Message-ID: <5n49u0$28e$1@shell5.ba.best.com> References: <865128556.15201@dejanews.com> <339348cd.2541483@newshost.cyberramp.net> <5n0g9t$ngm$3@nadine.teleport.com> <3393f392.385461@newshost.cyberramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell5.ba.best.com Xref: Supernews alt.religion.wicca:72777 alt.magick:103807 alt.pagan.magick:4273 In article <3393f392.385461@newshost.cyberramp.net>, Starr RavenHeart wrote: >On Tue, 03 Jun 97 07:19:47 GMT, tschuler@teleport.com (Tom Schuler) >wrote: >>Now you're getting all huffy. Moral people often get huffy when they >>encounter immoral people. Of course it's the way you live your life! All >>moral people live their lives according to their morals. >>You can have morals, if you want to. There's no need to be ashamed of them >>or deny them. You don't have to get huffy about the immoral people, though. >You need to quit looking for a fight to pick. there is a good chance here that you are reacting to what you think tom is saying rather than thinking about what he might actually be saying. now, don't react to what you think I am saying without thinking about what I might actually be saying! > I am neither "getting >all moral" not am I "getting all huffy." very high probability right here that you are not understanding tom's use of the term "moral". > This is simply the way I >have decided to live my life. decisions of this kind tend to partake of the nature of error. > If you don't like it, I'm very sorry. >She asked a question and I gave her the same answer I would have given >anyone else. as to the 'love spell', try this: while menstruating, masturbate to orgasm and preserve the resultant fluids. you should be concentrating on your desired result at the point of orgasm. take some of the resultant fluids and insinuate a bit of them into the food or drink of your prospective victim. josh Dana : you need green paper, vandal root and dirt from a graveyard. You write your name and the guy's name on the paper, put the vandal root and graveyard dirt in the center of the paper, wrap it up and leave it under your bed. ========================================================================= From missdanaj@geocities.com Tue Sep 30 15:41:14 1997 Received: from veracruz-gw.customer.itw.net (veracruz-gw.customer.ITW.NET [208.211.5.42]) by bay2.bjt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26880 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:41:13 -0700 Received: from geocities.com ([206.111.43.203]) by veracruz-gw.customer.itw.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA244 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:46:43 -0400 Received: from [203.24.127.63] ([203.24.127.63]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06209 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mail3.geocities.com: [203.24.127.63] didn't use HELO protocol Message-ID: <34326FFF.62B2@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:45:03 -0700 From: Dana Reply-To: missdanaj@geocities.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tyaginator Subject: Re: Hoodoo Love Spell References: <199709300845.BAA27665@bay1.bjt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO tyaginator wrote: > > 49970930 aa2 Hail Satan! Aggggrrrrrhhh!!!! You gave me the biggest heart attack! I was on the verge of rushing off to church to beg forgiveness!!!! (haha I'm only half joking too!). I wasn't too worried about "sinning", because my intentions are all good, I was only trying to do some research, all of which has made me feel *much* better about what I did morally. :) Anyway, thanx for your answer! I got that spell from this spell book published by Baron Blanc in Sydney, Aus. Some of their stuff is a bit iffy, but other friends of mine have done other spells of theirs and they've ALL WORKED with AMAZING results. I'll try send you some more. If you put the spell I did up on the web, please make sure you stress that (in the book's words) "it is one of the most powerful love spells and should be undertaken only after other love spells have failed. Not for the feint hearted." I only did it two days ago, so no results yet! Anyway, bye! Dana. > > tyaginator