Path: Supernews69!supernews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Markus" Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.zen,alt.philosophy.zen,alt.philosophy.taoism Subject: Re: The middle path? Tao and Zen Date: 21 Jun 1997 15:51:51 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 49 Message-ID: <01bc7e5a$d4c57cc0$LocalHost@quantex1> References: <5na6mg$6gl@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com> <01bc72ed$e764f4a0$LocalHost@102138727worldnet.att.net> <5npum3$396@kudo20.kudonet.com> <01bc78cf$f5679160$a16d93cf@102138727worldnet.att.net> <5o9u99$8d9@kudo20.kudonet.com> <5oag1h$i1v@camel3.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.99.50 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick.tyagi:13076 alt.zen:64739 alt.philosophy.zen:15311 alt.philosophy.taoism:14211 Foot wrote in article <5oag1h$i1v@camel3.mindspring.com>... > I@no.self (!) wrote: > > > Of those who misunderstand the Twofold Truth {Common/Higher Truth} > > there are, in all, three kinds of men. First are the Abhidharmists, > > who insist upon the existence of a definite substance, who err in > > {taking as ultimate what is in fact no more than} dependent > > existence {that is, a thing coming into existence depending on > > causes and conditions}, and who therefore lose {the true meaning > > of} Common Truth. They also do not know that dependent existence, > > just as it is, has no existence, and thus they also lose {the true > > meaning of} the One True Emptiness. Second are those who learn the > > Great Vehicle and who are called the Men of the Extensive and Broad > > Way. They adhere to a belief in Emptiness and fail to know > > dependent existence, hence they lose the {true meaning of} Common > > Truth. Having adhered to the misunderstood Emptiness, they err > > with regard to the true Emptiness, and thus also lose the {true > > meaning of} Higher Truth. Third are those in this very age > > [549-623] who, though knowing of the Two-fold Truth, in some cases > > say that it is two substances. The theories are both untenable, > > hence they lose the {true meaning of both} Higher and Common Truth. > > Foot: > I see he met Ardie. > > Emptiness: Unborn emptiness has let go of the extremes of > being and non-being. Thus it is both the center itself and > the central path. Emptiness is the track on which the centered > person moves. Tsongkhapa Beautiful. Empty and yet full beyond measure. "It is pure Mind which is the source of everything and which, whether appearing as sentient beings or Buddhas, as the rivers and mountains of the world which has form, as that which is formless, or as penetrating the whole universe, is absolutely without distinctions, there being no such entities as selfness and otherness." - Huang Po "What you do unto the least of my brethren you do unto me." - Jesus Markus