Path: Supernews69!supernews.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mindspring!usenet From: kmccor@mindspring.com (karen) Newsgroups: alt.zen,alt.philosophy.zen,talk.religion.buddhism Subject: Re: Hook, Line, and Stinker! (was: Hui Hai is enlightened) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:23:54 GMT Organization: none Lines: 40 Message-ID: <33b9c413.10823711@news.mindspring.com> References: <5n2pg9$2hr@camel3.mindspring.com> <3394CC02.309A@idt.net> <33A0ACEA.C8A@mindspring.com> <33A1D0C6.4C12@idt.net> <33A41FBF.86@mindspring.com> <33A49FE6.6B94@idt.net> <33A7288D.1D5E@idt.net> <5orhhe$f23@camel1.mindspring.com> <5otuvg$gqm@news.jhu.edu> <5p0irl$dbb@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <33c70f41.31752918@news.demon.co.uk> <5p154b$90c@news.jhu.edu> <33b74244.9647775@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip90.belair.md.pub-ip.psi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 29 Jun 1997 20:20:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 Xref: Supernews69 alt.zen:65647 alt.philosophy.zen:15584 talk.religion.buddhism:37782 On Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:19:40 +0100, helen mclellan wrote: >>To arrive where you are, to get from where you are not >>You must go by a way wherein there is no ecstasy. >> - T.S. Eliot, "Four Quartets" > >"Absolutely pure through perfected Mindfulness, Equanimity, and One- >pointedness of mind, the Forth Dhyana is neither painful nor pleasant, >feelings of elation and dejection having been completely surpressed >prior to entry into it. In this Dhyana one has attained a condition of >unmodified consciousness, which is true Samadhi (contemplation). In it >there is no attachment whatsoever to the world or to the three lower >stages of Dhyana the faculty of joy having ceased without a vestige. The >Fourth Dhyana has the characteristic of experiencing what is contrary to >both the desirable and the undesirable. Its function can be regarded as >neutral, and its manifestation is not evident. > > - Paranormal Phenomena in classical Buddhist Tradition. >Karlis A.M. Tennisons and Friedrich V. Lustig. joy is a choice not bottom-line not mandatory not a goal not a refuge an orientation a response an affirmation regardless of circumstances or outcome being a beginner The Fourth Dhyana can take a flying leap. ;) karen ("Given the choice of buddha nature or a dog biscuit...")