Path: Supernews!supernews.com!mr.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!europa.clark.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!news From: Ardie Hell Newsgroups: alt.zen,talk.religion.buddhism,alt.philosophy.zen,alt.religion.buddhism Subject: Re: 'Nirvana' and 'Enlightenment' (was Re: Phoney Zen) Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 16:50:26 -0400 Organization: IDT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3370EB12.5F07@idt.net> References: <336CBC7B.246B@idt.net> <862782894.1232@dejanews.com> <336D168F.2007@idt.net> <862891411.16053@dejanews.com> <336F75AC.7783@idt.net> Reply-To: ardent19@idt.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pmdyn12.vivid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: Supernews alt.zen:58656 talk.religion.buddhism:34610 alt.philosophy.zen:13362 alt.religion.buddhism:675 ! wrote: > > dediu@webbnet.com: > #> What do you mean by "the light of mind"? > > Ardie Hell : > #Kinda like having a flashlight (torch) in a dark room. Mind we say in > #Buddhism is naturally illuminative. > > since 'nirvana' implies the extinguishment of a candle, does this > therefore imply 'no-mind'? "What is called no-mind is nothing other than a mind free from deluded thought." --Bodhidharma's _Treatise on No-Mind_ (trans. App) "As soon as you see that true mind is at root without delusive thought, you have attained true nature." --Yuanminglun No-thought may also be related to the Neodaoist ideas of Wang-pi, in which we are to understand "wu" (no) as a sheer creative potential, which in addition, is formless and nonlocal. A