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Subject: NLudd: Zen is the work of demons
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Date: 11 Jun 1996 10:14:38 -0700
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[from alt.zen: nedludd@ix.netcom.com (Ned Ludd)]

In <4pb3va$rm5@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> shaku@ix.netcom.com(jimmy davis
) writes: 
In <4p8qho$t27@guardian.j-sainsbury.co.uk> Julian <Julian
Stephenson@js.btx400.co.uk> asked: 
|"Zen is the work of Demons" said Nichiren 
|on the streets of Kamakura in 1253.
|Can anyone refute that?

Shaku:
|Even demons need to practice zazen to realize their inherent
|buddha-nature.

  Thinking of Zen is being a demon.  Raising up an idea of Zen
  is the fruit of delusion and ignorance.  Demons, indeed!

                                           Ned