Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!mail2.sas.upenn.edu!lchance From: lchance@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Linda Chance) Newsgroups: alt.philosophy.zen,alt.zen,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.religion,alt.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.buddhism,alt.consciousness,alt.philosophy.taoism Subject: Re: SOsborne: Re: Origins of Zen Followup-To: alt.philosophy.zen,alt.zen,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.religion,alt.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.buddhism,alt.consciousness,alt.philosophy.taoism Date: 6 Apr 1996 19:06:55 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4k6fcf$59i@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4jn0iv$94c@netnews.upenn.edu> <4k56fq$fo3@cnct.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mail2.sas.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: shell.portal.com alt.philosophy.zen:6915 alt.zen:28671 alt.magick.tyagi:7494 alt.religion:2140 alt.religion.buddhism:256 talk.religion.buddhism:19178 alt.consciousness:25652 alt.philosophy.taoism:3329 Zen originates in the Mahayana part of the Buddhist tradition, linked with Taoist thought in China, with Shinto naturalism in Japan, with existential philosophizing in America, and with electronic verbiage in UseNet. Zen originates in all of these and more, in none of these and less Sitting in meditation, the spring arrives. Frank, from Linda's account Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!mail1.sas.upenn.edu!lchance From: lchance@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Linda Chance) Newsgroups: alt.philosophy.zen,alt.buddhism.short.fat.guy,talk.religion.buddhism Subject: Re: What is Zen? Followup-To: alt.philosophy.zen,alt.buddhism.short.fat.guy,talk.religion.buddhism Date: 8 Apr 1996 15:35:35 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4kbbo7$mqr@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4j63st$g5t@jobe.shell.portal.com> <4j7g8s$9mt@raffles.technet.sg> <4j7nap$d1m@nuscc.nus.sg> <4jevr1$g1q@urvile.msus.edu> <4kabmm$ho9@nadine.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mail1.sas.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: shell.portal.com alt.philosophy.zen:6937 talk.religion.buddhism:19228 zepfan@teleport.com wrote: : > I'd say that Zen is a Japanese variant of Buddhism : Zen is of Chinese origin, not Japanese. Zen has origins in India, brought to China by Bodhidharma; it developed there under the influence of Huike, Huineng, Linchi, and others, who brought Taoist ideas into the mix. It was then carried to Japan by Eisai and Dogen (among others), and to Korea and Southeast Asia. In each place Zen developed slightly differently than in other areas. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, if has come to Europe, America, and the rest of the world, and continues to evolve. But that is the history of Zen, which is not to say the essence. You can only discover that through meditation... Frank, from Linda's account