Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!uunet!uchinews!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!hookup!reptiles.org!gts!westonia!ns1.planetc.com!isdnlin.mtsu.edu!rex.isdn.net!uunet From: john.crow@nashville.com (John Crow) Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: Re: Thelemic Con Artists Date: 10 Apr 95 02:06:00 Organization: The Nashville Exchange BBS 615-383-0727 Lines: 39 Distribution: world Message-ID: <00001EF000001DE5@nashville.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns1.nashville.com In a prepared statement, Tyagi@luckymojo.c claimed that: Oc> I'm just curious, is there something Un-Thelemic about conflict? Is Oc> not the nature of all existence conflict? You want harmony? You speak Oc> of those who are blind, are they not in conflict? with themselves, Oc> with you maybe? Thelema may not be all conflict, but conflict is Oc> certainly a part of it. Ty> Something about orbital conflict in Crowley's writings, I think. That Ty> is, when a star/person interferes with another star's orbits (why Ty> aren't these planets?), then the conflict is 'unthelemic', yes. They aren't planets because planets orbit around a sun, whereas stars in a galaxy orbit around their collective barycenter. Thelema does not, per se, posit the existence of a central governing law in the archaic sense of the word, but instead a "law" in the modern scientific sense: Will is a description of behavior rather than a force controlling behavior. The orbits of stars around a galactic center simply makes a better analogy than that of planets around a sun. (Which latter, ironically, would probably be a perfect analogy for the Christian version of things.) Of course, taken this way, it is impossible to violate one's own Will or that of another; it is only possible to *appear* to act in violation of Will. Gravity always pulls mass towards mass, yet things act contrary this tendency all the time without violating the law of gravity --- airplanes spring to mind. It would appear to follow from all this that knowledge of and obedience to the Will is not an end in itself, but a means to an (unspecified) end. Restriction is, therefore, a sin not because it is a violation of Will --- an impossible act --- but because the apparent resistance to Will slows the overall tendency of the thelemic entities to progress towards the Great Unknown ordained by [insert your favorite god here]. Cheers, John ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11