Path: Supernews70!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: nagasiva@yronwode.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.tarot,alt.divination,alt.pagan.magick,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,alt.occult Subject: Re: GD, Waite, Divination and Tarot Date: 12 Jan 1998 15:23:27 -0800 Organization: Access Internet Communications, Inc. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <69e8lf$2fu$1@shell.accesscom.com> Reply-To: nagasiva@yronwode.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 16737@205.226.156.10 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: Supernews70 alt.magick.tyagi:14691 alt.magick:122564 alt.tarot:25549 alt.divination:13757 alt.pagan.magick:7406 talk.religion.misc:341650 talk.religion.newage:91968 [Orig-To: tarot-l@techunix.technion.ac.il] 49980104 aa2 Hail Satan! from tarot101@juno.com (John Gilbert) [perm. rcvd to repost]: # 1. Secrecy as a condition of initiation is first and foremost a form of # discipline on several levels: 1) it teaches the candidate a form of # self-discipline which is necessary to advance spiritually on the path as # they advance ritualistically, 2) it units the individuals into a group # with a common cause and purpose (to maintain their 'secret'), 3) it tends # to limit the number of evesdroppers and other curious people who are # really not interested in the group and individual effort of following a # spiritual path, and 4) it tends to discourage those who criticize and # send negative energy toward the ceremonialists. # 2. Waite and Case both admit the higher use of both tarot and astrology # is for Alchemy where the twelve steps of the alchemical process are # related to the twelve signs of the Zodiac, the Planets and the Elements # to which the twenty-two trumps are also correlated. That this process is # the same as or very similar to psychotherapy was also admitted by both # Regardie and Case. In any event it is a science and art of # transformation (transmutation) not unlike ritual magick. lovely, I'd never heard of this 12-step process previously (aside from the obvious AA groups ;>). # 3) The funny thing about a 'blind' is that as more and more people # accept it and build an egregoire the blind becomes actual. One of the # original blinds was rotating path 24 and 26 around path 25. It is that # blind which is now the more widely used forms of the Tree of Life (with # Death on the readers left and Devil on the right). such an arrangement would eventually catch my eye based on the logical asymmetry with the other paths (e.g. 15/17). of course if all of them were rotated, then it might evade criticism longer. :> # The astral world does # not know truth from a blind, it does what it is instructed to do in the # most logical manner it can using deductive reasoning step by step. The # reality of today may have been the blind of yesterday for where creative # imagination flows, reality follows. while I agree with this, it seems to me that Hod brings a degree of logic to the analysis which would show up blinds in cases where discrepancy may be discerned. it was primarily for this reason that I sought to reconstruct the tarot in order to iron out the discrepancies between the cards and the sequences of attributes paired with them. [...] blessed beast! __________________________________________________________________________ nagasiva -- nagasiva@yronwode.com; http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/ -- (emailed replies may be posted); http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi; 408/2-666-SLUG join the esoteric syncretism in alt.magick.tyagi; http://www.abyss.com/tokus