From tyagi@bjt.net Mon Dec 23 18:38:07 1996 Return-Path: tyagi@bjt.net Received: from kudonet.com (kudonet.com [165.227.52.1]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26474 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 18:38:03 -0500 Received: from kudo20.kudonet.com by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA13420; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:24:38 -0800 Received: by kudo20.kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA19621; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:16:26 -0800 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:16:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199612232216.OAA19621@kudo20.kudonet.com> To: tyagi@hollyfeld.org Subject: Divination/9612.ppussdu.ml From: nagasiva@yronwode.com (nagasiva) Reply-To: nagasiva@yronwode.com (nagasiva) Status: O X-Status: >From: mlynch@mitre.org (michael lynch) >Newsgroups: alt.tarot,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.divination,alt.magick >Subject: Re: Tarot, Hermeticism and VIII/XI >Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 09:25:33 -0500 >Organization: mitre corp. >Lines: 27 >Message-ID: >References: <57t962$qut@taurus.adnc.com> <32A28CB6.311@cloudnet.com> <32A84C37.796@io.com> <32AD7353.5AA7@io.com> >NNTP-Posting-Host: mlynch.mitre.org >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.1 >Xref: kudonet.com alt.tarot:12236 alt.magick.tyagi:8495 alt.divination:7674 alt.magick:77445 In article , nagasiva@yronwode.com (nagasiva) > > #>#> let's just talk about the influence of Papus & Marseilles on Waite > #>#> and Crowley's decks. > > # Why is that 'influence' a problem? > > are Papus' texts problematic in some way? I notice few really know much > about him, in part possibly due his connections to the Wandering Popes > and all the Gnostic stuff. his qabalistic influence and variety of > connection is not something which well-known or discussed at length > (Papus being Gerard Encausse). Mouni Sadhu's "The Tarot", written in 1959 in Melbourne,Australia with illustrations by Mrs. Eva G. Lucas, is a very in-depth view of the French take on the Tarot. Sadhu was an adherent of Papus and both were in the line of Eliphas Levi, Fabre d'Olivet, and the Martinists. His book contains a great deal of practical ritual work also. Well worth a look if only to get a different view of the Tarot than everything that has been derived from the Golden Dawn. His cards have been reworked in a newer version than those of Papus which he declared were unobtainable at the time of his writing. His discussion of each of the major Arcana contains a section on its connections to Alchemy, Astrology, Kabbalah, and Magic (into which he places actual workings to illustrate the principles of each Trump). L.V.X. Michael