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From: oispeggy@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
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Subject: Re: Mensus/Sperm Eucharist (Was Re: Was: Magick & Changing reality...))
Date: 15 Dec 1995 09:09 EST
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In article <4an3lf$bmu@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, cyronwode@aol.com (Cyronwode) writes...
>curunir@ix.netcom.com (James M. Devlin):
>|>Does anyone have any idea WHERE Crowley stated openly and plainly the 
>|>great secret of the Eucharist?
> 
>joshua@hill.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Joshua Geller):
>|fuck a woman while she is menstruating. after you come, go down
>|on her and take up the mixed fluids in your mouth. then share these
>|mixed fluids with her in a kiss.
> 
>This may be Crowley's take on it, but according to what the Catholic
....

My take on it is that they are using the wrong fluid.  The creative power
of the female body is to enable consciousness to descend into matter,
creating a new life.  Menstrual blood means the egg died, so I find it
idiotic to celebrate the female creative power with it (thought its ok
for celebrating other things, such as sex for one.)  I find it 
better to celebrate with the fertile mucous that appears just prior to
ovulation.  This screw-up (pun intended) using menstrual blood has to
be something a (duh!) man invented so in that way I find the ritual sexist.
Sure its more effort to learn about the female reproductive tract and to
be attentive enough to detect the changes (any twit can notice the blood),
but the extra effort is worth it.

>Note that Crowley's variation is typical of his age and culture in that it
>supplies heavily gender-distiguished roles for the participants; the man
>becomes in essense the priest and the woman becomes the goddess or
>one-offered-to. 

Hmmmmm....  That part doesn't bother me.  I think it depends on how you
look at it.  Being the goddess does not = being powerless.  Also, both
male and female fluids are offered up, so I don't see how one can be
said to be the priest and the other something else.  Both participants
can be seen as priest, priestess, god and goddess and sacrifice, etc...

- Peggy -


- Peggy -