Path: Supernews!usenet65.supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.primenet.com!ip124.lax.primenet.com!user From: lamont@primenet.com (lamont) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tantra Subject: Re: New to the study of tantra Date: 16 Jun 1997 10:56:00 -0700 Organization: b. lamont gunther & assoc. Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <19970525163800.MAA26310@ladder01.news.aol.com> <338C837E.5CE3@jps.net> X-Posted-By: @204.212.59.124 (lamont) Xref: Supernews alt.magick.tantra:4206 In article <338C837E.5CE3@jps.net>, lec12@jps.net wrote: > Snowwolf72 wrote: > > > > > > A.A. sober ffor 2 1/2 years and surrender is something we often talk > > about. I have read about it in my book on tantra and tarot, but I don't > > think that I have really mastered it. > > Been AA 18 yrs. Go slow with Tantra. If you can obtain the > book of secrets by Rajneesh it helps. Osho (Rajneesh) is an excellent source for the discussion of surrender, meditation and tantra. The Book of Secrets (vol 1-5) is good, but has been out of print a while. At the Feet of the Master has an extended discussion of surrender. Meditation: First and Last Freedom provides thorough discussion of meditation. I've been in AA 11 years and have come to accept that surrender is absolutely essential to living a full, productive, joyful life. Surrender in AA coincides with surrender in meditation, tantra and other spiritual pursuits. One thing they all have in common is that you can't surrender by thinking or reading about it. You have to actually do it--let go. Yes, I know, easy to say. The only thing to remember about AA and tantra is that you can explore anything, open up to anything, except for this: you don't drink or use no matter what. If a spiritual ritual calls for sipping alcohol, you dip your finger in the liquid and touch your forehead. Under no circumstances do you drink. I was told that Osho supported the weekly AA meetings that were held at the Ranch in Oregon. lamont -- "You must make abdominals both a physical and a mental priority." --John Hnatyschak