Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!sdd.hp.com!hamblin.math.byu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: krshane@aol.com (KRShane) Newsgroups: alt.fan.kali.astarte.inanna,alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca,alt.mythology,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.all-worlds Subject: Re: CDeville: Astarte Date: 3 May 1996 20:48:52 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 29 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4me9hk$lob@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3189E3C3.4A56@sonic.net> Reply-To: krshane@aol.com (KRShane) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: shell.portal.com alt.fan.kali.astarte.inanna:676 alt.pagan:158018 alt.religion.wicca:27742 alt.mythology:26871 talk.religion.misc:217455 alt.religion.all-worlds:7362 Yah. Two big USENET boo-boos in one. Continuing a cross-post (defense: most of the groups *do* seem relevant, and I've seen comment on this thread in/from several of them) and not quoting (come on - hacked to death already). So: Summary: we are disagreeing on whether the "Great Goddess" theory of common origin as applied to the crypto-Assyrian goddess Astarte and the Hebrew/Semite goddess Astoreth is "true". Bad Question. Deponent sayeth not. We have no primary sources to go on that have not been subject to extensive post-facto analysis that is inevitably done through the lens of the 6000-plus years between any actual primary worshippers of either Goddess. However, the central claim of most of the better *scholarship* on early Goddess worship is that the figure of the Goddess *as symbol/archetype* is so similar in a vast variety of cultures and eras that one can posit a basic human *experience* that gives rise to belief in a Goddess figure, and further that cultures of common biological, geographic, and cultural heritage will evince this archetype in forms that are in essence "the same Goddess". I don't think it's credibly deniable that Astarte and Astoreth, from what we know of them (damned little, really) were similar enough, and followed by sufficiently similar cultures, that they can be considered as possible "twins". Anything more than that is thealogy - and notoriously difficult and unrewarding to pursue in terms of "evidence" and "proof". Just my $0.50 "This is the weather the cuckoo likes, armored division submissive to vernacular the world into a gambling birdhouse velocity." _____________________________________________________________________ W. Mark Woodhouse - Pagan - Traveller - Flirt - Freelance Philosopher