Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!kenjo.demon.co.uk!Jo From: Jo Walton Newsgroups: alt.legend.king-arthur,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.satanism,alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.mythology Subject: Re: Merlyn-Druid or Christian? Date: 17 Jun 1995 12:00:33 +0100 Organization: The Magellanica Company Lines: 33 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <803382062snz@kenjo.demon.co.uk> References: <3rffi5$daf@jobe.shell.portal.com> <3rj5md$9vu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <803073217snz@aslan.demon.co.uk> <803233742snz@kenjo.demon.co.uk> <803319126snz@aslan.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Jo@kenjo.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: kenjo.demon.co.uk Xref: shell.portal.com alt.legend.king-arthur:505 alt.magick.tyagi:3368 alt.satanism:19786 alt.magick:45240 alt.pagan:109062 alt.mythology:16251 In article <803319126snz@aslan.demon.co.uk> Andrew@aslan.demon.co.uk "Andrew Rilstone" writes: > In article <803233742snz@kenjo.demon.co.uk> > Jo@kenjo.demon.co.uk "Jo Walton" writes: > > > On the thread generally: there are two poems purportedly by Myrddin in the > > Black Book of Carmarthen which is relatively available in the Llanerch Press > > version, translation by Meirion Pennar, English on right hand pages, Welsh on > > left. > > What evidence links "Myrddin" to "Merlin"; and what is the connection > between "Myrddin" and "Arthur"? Are we talking about two legendary > figure being stuck into the same story, or is there some reason to > think that the historical Myrddin was associated with the historical > Arthur? And if so, where does that leave the Romano-British Arthur? "Merlin" is a Frenchicized version of Myrddin. There is nothing earlier than Geoffrey on Monmouth linking Merlin/Myrddin and Arthur. The traditions are seperate before that. Merlin is a very mysterious figure even within the modern Arthur mythology. I find the Romano-British Arthur fascinating, and also the way the Celtic tradition has been all but lost by the time one gets to Malory, never mind any later. But it is a very complicated issue. I may write something up on it and post it here in a couple of days. -- Jo ************************************************************* - - I kissed a kif at Kefk - - ************************************************************* Help me colonise an alien planet at Intersection Glasgow '95 *************************************************************