Path: shell.portal.com!shell.portal.com!not-for-mail From: nagasiva@yronwode.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.order,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.religion,talk.religion.misc Subject: Vehmgericht?? Date: 11 Apr 1996 03:08:38 -0700 Organization: Portal Communications (shell) Lines: 55 Sender: tyagi@shell.portal.com Message-ID: <4kiln6$99k@jobe.shell.portal.com> Reply-To: Nemesis NNTP-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Xref: shell.portal.com alt.magick:71266 alt.magick.order:1144 alt.magick.tyagi:7598 alt.religion:2154 talk.religion.misc:213537 [from a public elist] I am looking for information regarding the Vehmgericht. The information that I have been able to get a hold of so far has been somewhat scanty at best. This is what I know so far: * Founded in 772 C.E. by the Emporer Charles the Great (Charlemagne) * Secret tribunal made up of various mercenary groups * Occupied Westphalia, and viewed it as a sacred land * Originally comprised of five knights of whose names I do not know * Hired to remove the Saxons and native Pagan religon from the area of Westphalia. * The Vehm is thought to origianlly have had connections with the Wild Hunt * Possible meaning of Vehmgericht could be something close to "Forest Law" or "Tree Law" and be Celtic in origin * During the fifteenth century, King Robert reformed the Vehm and allied it to the Church via the Inquisition * All members were initiated in Westphalia on the red earth which they held as being sacred * One of the chief centers was at Dortmund * The last local chief, or Friegraf died at the age of 99 in 1826.. His name was Zacharias Lobbecke. * They were a magickal order, practicing in a way similar to the magical-geomantic Northern Traditions. My feelings are that they had other reasons for being in the position that they were in. I believe that there is much more reason to this order than what initially is seen. I think that the motivating factors of this order were hidden, and wish to do a little more research into it. Finding information though, is not very easy. If you know or have heard anything related to this order, I would be more than grateful for any leads. Thank-you. _______ \\//-------\\ Heart In Hand, \/ O || Nemesis _____// ||---/ (E-mail: miller@luna.cas.usf.edu) ]=====||=====[ || We are One with the Night, ]===||===[ Palest flesh in soft moonlight. || Dancing to an ageless tune, ||/ Under the eyes of our Mother, the Moon. |/ *************************************************************************** | Magick Is The Blood Of The Universe * Light The Candle Under Your Heart | *************************************************************************** | MAGICKAL CODE: MDE/PAS++++++G*(++++)QO++666+Y++WC*N+++PCE++/PSB++++D2 | *************************************************************************** -- Ensure my response - CC public replies to email (READ ) (emailed replies may be posted) SEEK INFO: (PROTEST: 'indecency')