Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!realtime.net!bga.com!buffnet2.buffnet.net!news.tcst.com!news.onramp.net!usenet From: lestat@onramp.net Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.chaos,alt.magick.order,alt.magick.sex,alt.magick.ethics,alt.magick.sex.angst,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.virtual-adepts,alt.pagan Subject: Re: Call for Help? how bout throwing your life away on christ? Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 03:07:48 GMT Organization: On-Ramp; Individual Internet Connections; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: <310edc35.405769@news.onramp.net> References: <4c8cu5$gmh@nimitz.fibr.net> <4dd615$m8o@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4df7ik$o8r@nntp.crl.com> <4e0plc$pj@dazzle.east-tenn-st.edu> <4e1ajr$ccp@nntp.crl.com> <4e3j8j$o51@maureen.teleport.com> Reply-To: lestat@onramp.net NNTP-Posting-Host: laurel17.onramp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.168 Xref: shell.portal.com alt.magick:65389 alt.magick.chaos:6523 alt.magick.order:955 alt.magick.sex:5935 alt.magick.ethics:975 alt.magick.sex.angst:205 alt.magick.tyagi:6529 alt.magick.virtual-adepts:318 alt.pagan:143323 On Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:31:06 -0800, danielfl@cg57.esnet.com (octinomos.endemoniado) wrote: >if magick is doing what one wills > >then christianity is not magick. > >if it is doing what someone else wills i.e. jesus > >then it is the surrendering of the will > >the opposite of magick. OOOOH not true at all. You obviously haven't spoken at great length to any fundamentalist Christians lately have you? The more charismatic fundamentalists sees their religion as BOTH doing what Jesus wants as well as what THEY WILL. They are openly taught to pray for what THEY WANT BELIEVING WITH FAITH THAT IT WILL BE DONE. That is in every way the same as when a pagan asks Aradia, Isis, or any other pagan deity to grant their wishes. That makes Christianity an act of magick as it is an act of will.