From: nagasiva@yronwode.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.magick.chaos,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,rec.music.misc,rec.music.makers.bands Subject: JEverall: TOPY History (GPO+) Followup-To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,rec.music.misc,rec.music.makers.bands Date: 13 Sep 1997 13:18:01 -0700 Organization: Bay Junction Technology, Inc. Lines: 41 Sender: tyagi@news.bjt.net Message-ID: <5vesdp$d7p@bay1.bjt.net> Reply-To: nagasiva@yronwode.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) NNTP-Posting-Host: bay1.bjt.net Path: bridge!not-for-mail Xref: bridge alt.magick.tyagi:14918 alt.magick:118399 alt.magick.chaos:12798 talk.religion.misc:323867 talk.religion.newage:80037 rec.music.misc:220842 rec.music.makers.bands:14218 [from thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org: john.sentrax@mail.ndirect.co.uk (John Everall)] Porridge's comments refer specifically to the departure of Geff Rushton(John Balance) & Peter Christopherson from Psychic TV. Both claimed they left because they didn't like the direction P-Orridge was taking. P-Orridge regarded this as slanderous and claimed he had tapes proving that they were expelled, rather than leaving of their own accord. Perhaps he was miffed that PTV lost its way creatively after the above-mentioned formed the group, Coil; an infinitely more interesting project than his own(IMO). To give P-Orridge some credit I think as a member of Coum Transmissions he made a significant contribution to contemporary performance art, and I would also regard Throbbing Gristle as one of the most significant avant-garde musical groups of the late 20th C. Also there is a great deal to be said for the theory that P-Orridge was playing a game with the temple, seeing how people would respond to being told that they would have to wear the same uniform, have the same haircut, pierce their genitals,etc. P-Orridge's interest in the 'control' systems employed by Manson, Jim Jones, et al. does indicate that conducting such an experiment was part of the original intention behind the Temple - or perhaps his ego was simply out of control!! Whatever, even if there were originally any good intentions, it has all gone the same way as Chaos Magick(a supposedly open-ended system which *appears* to have engendered a paradoxically limited modus operandi among its adherents). In conclusion, I suppose I should state that, as a fifteen year old schoolboy, P-Orridge's Throbbing Gristle project inspired me musically, and also led me to explore the world of Burroughs, Gysin, Jarman, etc,etc. But I think post-TG, Orridge lost the plot somewhat. Regards, John Everall. ****************************************************************************** "Man's the only species neurotic enough to need a purpose in life". Reginald Iolanthe Perrin. **************************************************************************** -- (emailed replies may be posted);join the AMT syncretism!!;call: 408/2-666-SLUG! see http://www.abyss.com/tokus; "Clement of Rome taught that God rules the world with a right and a left hand, the right being Christ, the left Satan." - CGJung