From owner-fiatlvx@cmns.think.com Tue Jun 11 10:57:07 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA18587 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:57:07 -0700 Received: from Cmns.Think.COM.Think.COM (Cmns.Think.COM [131.239.2.100]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA20828 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:57:07 -0700 Received: by Cmns.Think.COM.Think.COM (4.1/Ultrix2.4-C) id AA08850; Tue, 11 Jun 96 13:41:19 EDT From: "Griffin, Walter" To: Fiatlvx email responce address Subject: Direction of Rosicrucian Research Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 12:46:00 CST Message-Id: <31BDBEEE@FS-GATE.UCHICAGO.EDU> Encoding: 49 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-fiatlvx@cmns.think.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: fiatlvx@cmns.think.com Status: RO Thomas, I am not sure exactly how far you want to go in your Rosicrucian research especially as it relates to AMORC, meaning if you want it to end with AMORC. If not, you may consider looking into CIRCES. This Order was founded by Raymond Bernard after he left AMORC upon the death of Ralph Lewis. Bernard was at one time Grand Master of the French AMORC Grand Lodge and was on the Board of Trustees when he left AMORC. Things to consider besides the positions he held in AMORC before founding CIRCES are: 1) A book titled " A Secret Meeting in Rome" by Raymond Bernard, published in 1969 and sold by AMORC. Its presented as an allegory but with hindsite it is clear that he was talking about establishing CIRCES back in the 1960's. The reason this is also interesting is that the book would have been reviewed and approved by AMORC before they would have decided to sell it through their book store and should have known what it is predicting. Also, they still sell it. 2) When Raymond Bernard left AMORC to start CIRCES activities a large number of AMORC members left with him to join this new Order. As I understand, most of these were AMORC Hierarchy members. Meaning they had obtained the last degree of AMORC and had been in it a long time. 3) To dispute claims that this was simply a mass exodis out of AMORC upon the death of Ralph Lewis are the 12th degree monographs themselves. Aproximately 12 monographs are dedicated to presenting the history of the Templar Knights, stating that there was always a close relationship between that organization and the rosicrucians, that the Templar Order still existed and would become active again in the future. I mention all of this since you wanted to research AMORC. Although, CIRCES is in no way connected to AMORC and does not claim to be Rosicrucian, you should consider that its founder and a large number of its members, especially its inner orders, came directly from AMORC. Also, AMORC's monographs and a book that has been sold by them since the 1960's predict this Order. An intelectual investigation may conclude that Bernard simply manipulated members by using what was in the monographs to lead them away from AMORC, but then again it may lead to some other conclusion. I will add that I am not a current member of CIRCES. In L.V.X., Walter