Path: Supernews70!Supernews73!supernews.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: none_of@your.business.ok (F. A. Mortego) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.christnet,alt.occult,talk.religion.newage,talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: The apostles and Paul Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:48:06 GMT Organization: Order of the Eternal Flame Lines: 39 Message-ID: <35051047.39676178@news.ihug.co.nz> References: <6dalps$p4c$1@shell.accesscom.com> <34fc39a8.33937897@news.earthlink.net> <6dg24o$rar$2@news1.teleport.com> <34fc3c3a.12874660@news.earthlink.net> <3505213d.11126728@news.earthlink.net> <35042BE7.1656141E@bayou.uh.edu> Reply-To: none_of@your.business.ok NNTP-Posting-Host: p49-max4.well.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: Supernews70 alt.magick.tyagi:15077 alt.magick:129789 alt.christnet:343849 talk.religion.newage:96065 talk.religion.misc:350413 On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 11:50:31 -0600, "Elias, passer-by on the road of life." wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I wonder if there is anyone who could shed some light on the difference >between the Nazarean followers of Jesus and Paul. According to what >I've come to know so far, the Nazareans were lead by the actual students >of Jesus, whereas those in Rome followed Paul. Although Paul's "epistles" were largely concerned with "spreading the message of christ" we must remember that back then, people knew the difference between the words jesus, and christ. "christ" (derived from gk: christos) simply means illuminated, or annointed. In that respect one could say that Apollonius of Tyana was also illuminated, or christ. Now the Nazareans were not in fact exclusively followers of Jesus at his supposed time...we remember that some 30,000 people were baptised by John. You are also confusing Paul with Peter. It was Peter who was the Apostle of Circumsision, who is characterised in the Bible as ignorant, cautious, insincere (denied Jesus 3 times)..who secretly, as well as openly calumniated the epistles for containing what he called "dysnoetic learning." Now Paul on the otherhand was the Apostle of the Gentiles...outspoken, sincere, and very learned, especially in Greek philosophy. to quote from 1 Corin. 3:10 "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise 'master-builder', I have laid the foundation." In using a term such as 'master-builder' (which is the only occurance of the word in the bible) he is using a word pre-eminently kabalistic, theurgic, and later masonic. Further study will show that Paul understood much of the Bible as allegorical: 1 Corinth 10:11 - (concering the story of Moses and the Israelites) "All these things happened unto them for types" Galatians 4:24 - "It is written that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bond-maid, the other by a freewoman....which things are an allegory"