Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: fladung@emf.net (Fast Eddie) Newsgroups: alt.meditation,alt.yoga,alt.zen,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.philosophy.taoism,alt.philosophy.zen,alt.consciousness,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.sexuality,alt.magick.tantra,talk.religion.buddhism,alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan,alt.polyamory,alt.sex.wizards Subject: Re: Sex and the Dharma Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 23:02:27 GMT Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 63 Message-ID: <4dp7p6$8qh@ccnet2.ccnet.com> References: <4cugrn$nqc@jobe.shell.portal.com> <4d414n$7vj@enquirer.mv.us.adobe.com> Reply-To: fladung@emf.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.50 Xref: shell.portal.com alt.meditation:19365 alt.yoga:4299 alt.zen:21906 alt.magick.tyagi:6366 alt.philosophy.taoism:2809 alt.philosophy.zen:5789 alt.consciousness:23371 talk.religion.misc:200880 alt.religion.sexuality:10701 alt.magick.tantra:628 talk.religion.buddhism:15546 alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan:6080 alt.polyamory:37732 alt.sex.wizards:44188 bgauger@frame.com (Brian Gauger) wrote: >>| > The hottest of hells are reserved for those that do. >There are several hell-realms in the Tibetan traditions, both hot and >cold varieties. >As to what (or 'who') "goes there" -- the same consciousness that gets >passed from one incarnation to the next. >As I recall, the Tibetan model holds that there are six types of >sentient beings: hell-beings, hungry ghosts, animals, humans, jealous >gods, and gods. The human birth is the most prized because it's the >best "launchpad" to enlightenment. >In my recollection, the worst hells are reserved for those who have >become 'anti-Buddhists', harming the sangha, perverting the teachings, >etc. >The cold hells have to do with isolation and lack of communication -- >abandoning the Bodhisattva vow, for example (?). >Of course, it's been awhile since I last read the Bardo Thosgrol/Book >of the Great Liberation/Book of the Dead, so please read this for >flavor, not for strict content. >But on the topic of "sex and the Dharma", although I've >heard of< >Tibetan Tantric sexual practices, I am privvy to none of them... And >what I >have< heard of is of dubious origin (Western sources like "The >Joy of Sex", translations of the "Kama Sutra", which is Indian, >anyway, etc.). >It seems to me that we Westerners are so hung up on sex that is is >very difficult, if not impossible, for most of us to use it as part of >the Middle Way. >In the Dharma, > Sonam Yeshe / Brian Gauger In the Tibetan teaching, the six realms correlate with the six negative emotions: Gods--------------------------Pride Asuras------------------------Jealosy Humans---------------------Desire Animals----------------------Ignorance/stupidity Hungry Ghosts-----------Lust/Greed Hell Realm-----------------ANGER! The implication is that these are not just places one goes when one dies, but there is the instant karma aspect where one's perception is immediately changed because of the emotional filter, which puts one in one of those realms and renders the Buddha realms invisible. "Verily this land is the lotus land of purity and this body is the body of God!" -Hakuin