Path: Supernews70!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!netnews.com!mr.net!news.eden.com!news.io.com!news.io.com!not-for-mail From: ix@xanadu.io.com (Lupo LeBoucher) Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.satanism,alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.wicca Subject: Re: REPOST: FMSF,Cults and Lawsuits - John Price cancels my article. Date: 16 Dec 1997 09:30:45 GMT Organization: Illuminati Online Lines: 39 Message-ID: <675ho5$fes$1@nntp-3.io.com> References: <349346cb.3468184@nntp1.ba.best.com> <66vh19$7nh$1@news5.ispnews.com> <3498fa36.6037795@nntp1.ba.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: xanadu.io.com X-Trace: nntp-3.io.com 882264645 15836 (None) 199.170.88.6 X-Complaints-To: usenet@io.com X-Newsposter: trn 4.0-test56 (2 Mar 97) Xref: Supernews70 alt.pagan:248794 alt.satanism:82640 alt.religion.scientology:311759 alt.religion.wicca:102321 In article , Pierce Nichols wrote: >On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Ex Mudder wrote: > >> Well, he lied about sacrificing children as a PR stunt. He shot >> heroin and wrote down how he was channeling deities. And he realized >> that Hubbard was a con man. Takes one to know one. > > On the first point, could you please provide documentation? He refers to Crowley's formula for the human sacrifice of children via masturbation. (I heard that thought). I.e. Crowley was taking literally the Catholic assertion that "every sperm is sacred" so that spanking ones monkey or performing any other Onanistic act would be murder on the scale of hundreds of thousands. Crowley used the half serious pun on this Catholic doctrine as a way of illustrating certain sexual magick practises. >shooting heroin, injecting drugs does not a con man make. W.S. Burroughs, Edgar Allen Poe, Jimi Hendrix and many of my other favorite artists weren't exactly "con men," and their Heroin use certainly doesn't make them immoral. Crowley, of course, was indeed a shiester and a mountebank, though it seems to me he was a most benign, brilliant and interesting shiester (outstanding mountainclimber and chess master if nothing else), with lots of wit and erudition to share. Hubbard wasn't fit to wipe Crowley's arse in so far as actual knowledge, but Crowley was a piker compared to Hubbard in terms of con-artistry. -Lupo "I pine for the sheer stupidity of the old macho days, when men would brandish hammers and build huge, bulky cars that sucked up gas and tore open the ozone layer and crushed small animals beneath totally useless but totally cool-looking tail fins." -Dennis Leary